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@Linux_in_a_Bit As others have pointed out, this is the case for most anything, in no way unique to Linux.

I have been told I am too stupid and "using windows wrong".

So I don't buy the argument that this is the reason. People need it to be "effortless", and when it isn't, they cling to big tech, despite knowing the issues connected to doing so, using the "evil linux people" as the reason.

We see the same with art and AI now. People know AI is problematic.

"I want art, but it is too complicated to create. You cannot expect me to have the time to invest in it like you artists do, and I don't have the money to pay you what you ask. Since you don't provide the art I need, I have no other choice than to use AI. You are gatekeeping art, so AI, despite being problematic, is the only option available for me"

It's the same shit. Big-tech has made people dependent on simplicity at "no cost and effort", but rather than acknowledging this, we aim at and blame those that have the skills we don't.

@bluestarultor

@bluestarultor But that was kinda the premise of the post I replied to. People don't switch to linux because linux users "are not kind and helpful enough" - and my experience - that people don't really want to switch, they just use the "linux users are not helpful enough!" to justify staying with companies they know they should really leave.

So, if we "want to beat big tech" we need to "work for free"

Our "kid" is 30 years old, still does not know how to drive a car, manages fine without it. I taught him to use computers because I realized that would be essential knowledge.

That bit paid off.

We can make our society less dependent on tech, like it was not all that long ago. But people like the convenience it gives. We could build good, publicly funded solutions, but people don't want to pay.

I don't know what the solution is, but blaming linux users for not being "helpful and friendly enough" is not the answer to anything...
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@bluestarultor There is no one to one mapping between cars and computers, so your mapping is your interpretation.

"You are saying that..."

I am saying that average computer user should understand fundamental parts like files, folders, installing stuff, simple maintenance. Not overly complex stuff. Not something that would be hard for a person to learn if it was part of their usage in school.

Like, I don't know much about car repair, but anything that is needed on a regular "day to day" usage, I need to know.

"But Microsoft does it for pay."

Not really, it is equally complex there and people are now in a position where they can barely leave their browser and need everything "automated" in cloud hosted software. People can barely use Windows.

And, no, we don't want to pay, so we sell ourself instead.

"By your logic" and "your saying" - I just want knowledge to avoid tech-oppression to be part of fundamental education.

I guess I am asking too much.
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@nieuemma I was in a Polestar owners group, grief those people were shitty, I don't expect all owners to be like that.

I tried to join some Linux chat groups, but left, I have lots of Linux knowledge, but unless I could dedicated all my effort to Linux, those groups were pointless.

You find the same with most all groups. To judge a user base from this seems meaningless...

I have voiced my frustration with Windows and audio drivers on some forums and was told that I was a stupid person that should just stop using computers.
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@bluestarultor Before I was allowed to drive a car, I needed to take theoretical course over several weeks, pass two tests, and have hours of practical training.

What was your point, exactly?

I am not saying that average computer users should know how to write software and do devops stuff, but some fundamental knowledge of how the OS works is kinda essential.

I am too old to have had computers as part of school, and now, I have to explain to people half my age that grew up with computers as part of their day and used in their education, rather simple computer stuff.

Is it really too much to expect, that a part of education is to understand some fundamental part of something that is so important for us today.

Because the alternative is to let big tech run all over us.

But that is more convenient, so this is where we at. "By your logic", well, yes, so we are not setting ourself up to be exploited.

But, it is not my job, as a linux user, to do this for free, as seem to be expected.
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@bluestarultor I am installing Linux on my moms computer because Windows is just too messed up now to be acceptable, I think i know how crappy it has gotten.

The "easy to use" linux distros are, for "regular user tasks" a lot easier than Windows now, simply because there isn't all sorta crap getting in the way.

But, we are in a situation where people can be using a computer (including smartphone) for hours and hours a day and still have no idea how stuff really works. People hardly understand what a file and a folder is, because tech companies has "simplified this" away. Of course Linux is complex then.

But Linux users cannot be expected to suddenly make everything so easy that you don't need to learn basic computer skills in order to use your computer.

It is a fact that terrifies me, computers are more and more central in our life, but we learn less and less about them. Instead, we outsource the knowledge to big-tech.

People are not stupid, they just cat be bothered.

@_RyekDarkener_ @Linux_in_a_Bit

@_RyekDarkener_ using material without permission is stealing. People built AI by strealing other peoples work.
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@_RyekDarkener_ Justify using something made by theft and draining our resources because people that use a product are not willing to tell you how to do things, unpaid...

Quite a few of us are very willing to teach people how to use linux, but we are not techsupport ready to fix a problem, like most seem to want.
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@nieuemma Most people don't, and to justify not switching, they make up stuff like "linux users are too angry and their answers are too geeky so unless they get friendlier, I am not switching!", but it mostly boils down to not wanting to switch and just needing a reason to keep justify using big tech products.

Like people who make an effort to avoid it should be there to do the job for them, for free.
@Linux_in_a_Bit

@Linux_in_a_Bit There are more than one side to this. Consider how you ask the question?

I have experienced
Questions asked in a "please just do it for me" fashion.
Question asked with a "this is just too complicated! Why is linux so hard!!!" (when really, it is equally complicated on Windows, just done differently)

If you ask a question and "people get mad", there could possibly be something in how you ask the question?

People get upset and frustrated because they have to invest a little time in figuring out how things work differently, and get mad because they don't get the answer in a "follow these simple step" fashioned, served instantly.