CIRCLE WITH A DOT

It sounds like discord is trying to assure us that most people won't have to hand over our IDs to them because they've already been doing digital phrenology on us, so we should all just calm down.

Strangely, I find this even more motivating to leave

Brian M (@legendofnerd.bsky.social)

Discord is already starting to walk things back a little, so people should keep doing what they're doing (cancel Nitro, leave feedback/criticism, direct contact through support tickets/phone/email/etc)

Bluesky Social (bsky.app)

@scottley Yes. But, nothing about what I proposed would make it required to use a single identity in every instance. It would merely make it possible to use that identity in more than one instance.

That also makes it more vital, which makes it all the more important to protect such an identity anchor from the whims of an administrator (including governments). That's where a lot of the difficulty comes in.

Believe me, I understand why doing this is not straightforward. But it's not impossible, either. The time to start really committing resources to our own communications infrastructure was 8 or 9 years ago. The second best time is now.

In my ideal world, your chat identity would be the same as your social network identity. Your identity documents (aka your AP Actor, ATP DID doc, etc) would include addressing information and signing keys for real time chat protocols like xmpp, and that would be that.

@dwineman ok, and also requirement 0, message history and offline delivery. There are actual reasons people stopped using irc

@kopper I mean, I'm kind of hoping that some of those xmpp folks will show up and tell me about the good, low friction option that I just didn't know about.

I think xmpp is the long term answer to this question. I just don't know if it can be the short term one.

What I think is *really* important in a discord replacement:

1. low friction invite/join/create flow for private or semi-private groups.
2. single login/identity used for multiple groups

And that's really all I need, personally. But orgs that make heavier use of discord also need:

3. enough control over roles and permissions to be able to moderate communication (within a group, not across groups) among people who often do not know each other

RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092

Let's imagine I have like 2 or 3 reasons to be using discord today, and I'm trying to move them to something else in the next few weeks because I don't intend to give discord my ID.

The other comparable monolithic option appears to be Zulip, which is fine, as far as it goes. But are there good federated options? People are going to have to migrate to another platform, meaning they will have to bootstrap their identity and social connections all over again. It would be great if this was the last time they had to do that

(I'm aware of matrix, matrix is a bad option. I want good options)