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@TodePond you could totally be right but one side 'being able' to do the other is what I think excites me about intentionality in computer shit. i dont have enough experience with programmers to want to exclude them from another practice, and i dont think ive ever worked with someonecwho would identify with the term 'designer', I just know 'needing to pick' between one or the other confuses me and makes me less likely to do both.

@TodePond true, but i think platforms that foster good 'computing feelings' are ones that might prioritize the former with the positive side-effect of the latter. not a global statement, more of a hunch. 'scrappy' is innovative in the context of programming, commonplace in the context of design. this is less to single out what i think is a very good idea, than to provide an example of how these perhaps not-arbitrary-enough framings make the work of good software and/or a more accessible developer experience more difficult. im riffing here, very little concrete experience in collaborative/distributed software-making (though i wish that wasnt the case).

@TodePond cant tell if joke because i both agree with this sentiment and cant visualize how this plays out in practice. way back, yall did an ep on mary shaw's concept of vernacular developers and the concept really sticks with me. but SWEs have so territorilized the notion of open source development that I (a non/novice-programmer) still has a gut tendency towards 'git or it didnt happen', which im in equal part disgusted by?

@ahihi it’s honestly great for that. feels really nice a self contained environment.