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@emilymbender

What is OUP? I'm not familiar with the acronym.

I can't wait to read the entry

@unchartedworlds
I agree, they don't claim that the subjects were chosen via online forums. I was confused with the term "online panel". I don't actually know how they chose.

The sample clearly is biased. For instance, the number of men who have more than 1 sexual partner in the US is not 95%, see https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066.

@JDanielSsp si te entiendo. Uno escribe algo complejo y la respuesta es en "binario", puede ser insuficiente.

@unchartedworlds @amydiehl they say that they picked the men from Reddit, and that they used tactics as asking them to "tell their side" of the story. What I'm seeing is a bias in the sample. It is as if I go to the LGBT friendly park in a city and ask about sexual diversity and self-image. Chances are my sample is not representative of the city population as a whole.

@JDanielSsp

En cuerpo presente, o por internet?

@pattykimura

If it is 95% of all men, then this would also imply that _at least_ 95% of all men who had sex in the last two years had multiple sexual partners. I find this figure to be quite strange, given what other studies of sexual behavior of younger generations show.

Now, I am answering in good faith, because I think we are having a conversation. But if you feel differently, feel free to block, I do not need the validation of your attention.

@chris_spackman

I think is really valuable work, and it is important to document in the literature the strategies that are used by aggressors to force woman to have sex.

But I also think that in this particular instance finding information towards their RQ1 (what % of men..) is in conflict with their other RQ (how effective are the strategies, etc).

@pattykimura @amydiehl

I was shocked by the 95% figure, so I downloaded the paper. In it, I found out that the universe of the study is not "all men" but "men who identify themselves as aggressors". Now, when I claim "not-all-men" here, is not a way to deviate the conversation. Is to focus on what the intent of the paper is, and which conclusions can be taken from it. One of them, we need to know what the actual % is. Or focus on what aggressive men do, goal of this particular paper.

@abhayakara

I also concluded the same, that this could be used to argue that "men are this way". And while sexual aggression is a serious problem that is under-reported, a 95% is just too high. That's why I think it is important to clarify the number, and the context.

@TomasHradcky

As I say, not me, is what the paper says. You can read it yourself and make up your mind.

I think we need to understand the literature to be able to have strategies to curve this situation. It would be very different if we are talking of 95% of the population or if it the number is different.

Therefore it is important to clarify, in my mind, what the study actually claims.

@LeslieBurns @amydiehl

That's fine, we can disagree. Have a nice evening.

@LeslieBurns @amydiehl

gabriel (@gabriel@col.social)

@LeslieBurns@esq.social @amydiehl@mstdn.social I'm not claiming that the percentage of men who have sexually assaulted women is not 95%. I'm claiming that this paper was not set up to answer that question. And the quote seems to point into that direction.

col.social (col.social)

@LeslieBurns @amydiehl

I'm not claiming that the percentage of men who have sexually assaulted women is not 95%. I'm claiming that this paper was not set up to answer that question. And the quote seems to point into that direction.

@LeslieBurns @amydiehl

I'm not misreading, I'm quoting the paper.

Also, there may be subtleties that lead to the question to not have 100%. Maybe someone identifies as a sexual attacker but not as a strategist. Or they were misidentified and they are not part of the universe. Or...

@amydiehl

I'm not coming to argue "not all men", but from reading the tooth one walks away with the idea that 95% of men force women to have sex, and that is not what the article says at all. What it claims is that of a population that admits to intentionally sexually aggressed woman, 95% report to use strategies to get a woman to have sex when she hasn't consented.

I mean, clearly the paper itself claims "not all men".

@amydiehl OK, but the paper was focused on that demographic:

"This research was designed to focus on men who admit having intentionally and knowingly sexually aggressed against a woman who they knew did not want sex nor consented to it, including strategies to overcome her reluctance, circumstances, motivations, and positive and negative outcomes."

@JDanielSsp es un absoluto muy superficial, realmente