Good article from the Matrix folks explaining that switching to Matrix doesn't necessarily mean you can avoid age verification laws.
https://matrix.org/blog/2026/02/welcome-discord/
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Good article from the Matrix folks explaining that switching to Matrix doesn't necessarily mean you can avoid age verification laws. -
If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@strypey @Kadin2048 @kitkat @polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely that said, of all the available options out there *right now*, matrix is the best, imo.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@strypey @Kadin2048 @kitkat @polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely I don't follow matrix protocol development very closely so I wasn't familiar with all of these. my main issue is the lack of capability security in the auth layer. that's hard to retrofit and it effects everything on top. I don't want to build on something that has gone all-in on oauth2 with openid connect.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@csepp @kopper @cwebber @soatok there is no silver bullet but ocaps solve problems that are inherent in the ACL security model. all the systems built on ACLs are vulnerable to confused deputy attacks, have no way to safely delegate authority, and centralize their authority with administrators even if the architecture is otherwise decentralized. ocaps are an essential tool, imo, but many other tools are needed to solve the other problems you mention.
regarding p2p, I think it's not really feasible to go "full p2p" given the state of the internet. taking lessons learned from AP and creating a network of federated relays is a practical way forward, I think. true p2p connections can be bootstrapped using the relays, where possible.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@kitkat @polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely from a thereotical standpoint, yes. from a practical standpoint, no.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@wesdym sure, I'm not saying people shouldn't find something that works well enough right now. but I also don't want to build on anything that's out there. it will be too difficult/impossible to retrofit them.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely @shanie yes, decentralized identity would resolve the issue of needing a separate account for each chat server, but I think the fediverse has shown the community-oriented server approach to be rather brittle. good enough for right now but not a model I want to replicate.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely I took a quick look and I don't see anything that mentions Stoat having federation or any other decentralized features. Commet probably has that due to being built on Matrix. Other than that, they all seem centralized but self-hostable with the exception of Root which afaict is proprietary SaaS.
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If you're interested in funding or helping us find funding for a Discord replacement that's federated and end-to-end encrypted, we're interested in implementing that at @spritely ... we even had been talking about that being our big focus for 2026.@polyfloyd @cwebber @spritely can you name one that is any good? I can't. matrix probably comes the closest but it has fundamental issues that would be hard to fix retroactively.