CIRCLE WITH A DOT

@ADailyViolet It's good you're encouraging your human to get more fiber.

@paco @jerk I'm embarrassed to say I've gotten the American Heiress in Obsession and not won. My play times haven't been quite as long as Jerk's - we've never hit 4 hours - but I agree the box time is a joke.
(Obsession is a real hoot to play, tho.)

@paco Our rule, which we have found pretty accurate, is to take the time for the game on the box and double it. Box times only happen with experienced players (thus no teach) and no AP. In one of my regular gaming meetups there's a group of us who pride ourselves in actually being able to knock out Terraforming Mars:
Ares Expedition in the 45 minute box time.