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The Titan M2 is good hardware. A relockable bootloader is a good feature. The 2027 Motorolas will support GrapheneOS when they come out as part of the new agreement.
Edit: your arguments are just unfounded is all I'm saying, Android is much better than Linux and you have no proof to the contrary.
@maat @nixCraft They didn't suck, Google Play Services is what's always sucked (on stock play services can still access all your contacts as scopes are for third-party apps, get a Pixel or the upcoming Motorolas and flash Graphene on it if you'd like to restrict this and also regulate some other hidden permissions like Network and Sensors)
@maat @nixCraft AppArmor and SELinux aren't really comparable to Android's ssndboxing model, which also handles app signing and certificate pinning.
Android's sandbox does not suck (bold of you to say when most Flatpaks can escape the sandbox by editing your .bashrc), Google just requires OEMs to bypass it for Play Services to obtain CTS certification (required to use the Android trademark). Alternate Android-based OSes are very secure (as long as they keep up with security patches, /e and iode do not). GrapheneOS's sandbox for it resolves this issue, letting you use it for apps that need it without security compromises.
A lot of Android's security also comes from verified boot (OS image is read-only and signed, bootloader checks the hash against the one burned in at manufacture or stored in the secure enclave at boot to ensure nothing is compromised) and a hardware secure enclave (which is not a TPM chip, its better)
edit: contact scopes (which GrapheneOS has had for ages) are coming in Android 17 to fix that issue.
@nixCraft The funniest part is that a lot of apps use Google libraries (which means most "degoogled" setups aren't actually degoogled) which can act like a copy of Play Services themselves, so those apps could be a viable option for verification if Google insists on an app, but Google's gotta have that invasive Play Services access, right?
edit: Blog post because the article above doesn't cite its sources:
Today at Next ‘26, we’re launching Google Cloud Fraud Defense, the trust platform for the agentic web and the next evolution of reCAPTCHA.
Google Cloud Blog (cloud.google.com)
@dansup From personal experience, quite lacking in community-focused functionality or integrations in general. For communities, Zulip or a forum would be preferred.
