CIRCLE WITH A DOT

aearo@dragon.style

Yeah, and even if you don't wanna do it yourself, knowing what the purpose of it is might inform what you do instead.

aearo@dragon.style

That, but I also think it's a really hard, abstract thing to train the models on regardless.

I could be wrong about this! Maybe it's easier than I think. But it's not like you can just say to the model "oh yeah, and make sure all the edges of things follow the rules of perspective." It has to learn those rules the same way it learns everything else - basically, by looking at a bunch of examples and getting a "feel" for what's right. (Well, "a feel" = "the values of the model's weights updated to produce this result" and so forth, but yunno.)

But it's not the kind of detail that immediately jumps out, as long as it's not *too* wrong. Observing it requires both figuring out which lines are relevant, and knowing how those lines should behave, and image-gen AI has no special ability to do either of those things. It has no ability to follow rules precisely.

The fact that human brains can also look at the pictures and not immediately go "wait, that's wrong" gives me confidence that AI models won't get it either. Even humans generally need to get out a ruler and start measuring. I think it's hard for human brains to just see it for pretty much the same reason it's hard for AI, but until AGI is a thing, strategies like "know the rules concretely" and "draw a line with a ruler" are more or less out of reach for the AI.

aearo@dragon.style

@FabMusacchio

Ooooh - what I like about this is, unlike a lot of "here's how you spot this stuff" advice, these seem like maybe things AI-generated images will have a *very* hard time ever getting consistently right.