Rabbit folks...
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
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@cazabon Oh no, I’m so sorry the symptoms have started up again
. I’ve only experience with baytril and cipro but am boosting forth 
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@cazabon Oh no, I’m so sorry the symptoms have started up again
. I’ve only experience with baytril and cipro but am boosting forth ️Thanks to all for the boosts. I'm going to bed, but if anyone has comments I'll definitely be reading them before taking George to the vet tomorrow.
After a bunch of reading, azithromycin, doxycycline, marbofloxacin, and sulfadimethoxine all look like good candidates depending on the particular bug involved. Maybe I can get them to test those in the lab.
I think I've also had most of those myself over the years
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
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@cazabon I would say you'd want a culture to find out what bacteria it is (or are) and what it's sensitive to. Just chucking antibiotics and hoping something works doesn't seem to be working.
That said, you can't cure all bacterial infections with antibiotics. For example, sometimes nothing cures human sinus infections.
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
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Our rabbit get marbofloxacine after another antibiotic didn't work for his nasal infection, and it heal him.
But as other comments point it, wait for the culture as every situation is different.We also find that it could be temperature dependent, and raising the "night" temperature of the house seems to help.
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
[argh: hit some key combination which lost long message I'd typed; apologies if this re-write sounds frustrated]
@cazabon Baytril, cipro and injectable penicillin are the only ones our buns have had over the years. Keep us posted on George. Hope this gets resolved.
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
[argh: hit some key combination which lost long message I'd typed; apologies if this re-write sounds frustrated]
Fingers and paws crossed for George. To be honest, I’m not good at remembering the names of bunny drugs. For any bad infections, we end up having to administer injectable penicillin. I have had trouble with my buns feeling nauseous when they’re on certain meds. And then the resulting hunger strike is so not good
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
[argh: hit some key combination which lost long message I'd typed; apologies if this re-write sounds frustrated]
@cazabon Did you find out what kind of bacteria you're dealing with? What does the vet say?
Marigold received Baytril (Enrofloxacin) and Convenia (Cefovecin) injections for her various skin conditions and when she was healing from her severe pododermatitis, but Convenia is risky apparently, so please be cautious with that one. This (trustworthy!) German site has a list of meds too, maybe this is somewhat helpful (with a translation app hopefully also readable): https://kaninchenwiese.de/vet/medikamenten-dosierungs-empfehlungen/
Sending nose-bumps and well-wishes to George!
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Our rabbit get marbofloxacine after another antibiotic didn't work for his nasal infection, and it heal him.
But as other comments point it, wait for the culture as every situation is different.We also find that it could be temperature dependent, and raising the "night" temperature of the house seems to help.
Thanks - marbofloxacin is one of the ones I was specifically interested in and will talk to the vet about. I do want a culture done, but sometimes vets here don't want to do things the way you want.
The temperature thing is interesting. I do have my house set to cool off quite a bit at night. Something new to investigate!
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@cazabon Did you find out what kind of bacteria you're dealing with? What does the vet say?
Marigold received Baytril (Enrofloxacin) and Convenia (Cefovecin) injections for her various skin conditions and when she was healing from her severe pododermatitis, but Convenia is risky apparently, so please be cautious with that one. This (trustworthy!) German site has a list of meds too, maybe this is somewhat helpful (with a translation app hopefully also readable): https://kaninchenwiese.de/vet/medikamenten-dosierungs-empfehlungen/
Sending nose-bumps and well-wishes to George!
The vet hasn't done a culture (yet), but I'm trying to get her to order one.
I'd never heard of cefovecin, but it seems to be mostly for skin infections. But thanks for the link to the German site - I'll definitely check that out.
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Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
[argh: hit some key combination which lost long message I'd typed; apologies if this re-write sounds frustrated]
@cazabon oh hoping you get better soon George
Lua's (and orcus) infections were treated with saline nebulisations with a tiny bit of an antiseptic (forgot the name) mixed into it in one case, so not much experience with this. -
Rabbit folks...
George started displaying symptoms of his upper respiratory infection coming back. The vet had previously said that he might live the rest of his life with a low-level infection, but I don't know if this counts as low-level, so I'm taking him back to the vet tomorrow, the soonest I could get him in.
I'm wondering if any of you are particularly knowledgeable about antibiotics in our buns? I've always heard from vets that there were only "a couple" that were appropriate for rabbit use, but the House Rabbit Society - rabbit.org - has this article which lists a bunch more (it also includes a bunch you can't use). Anyone have any opinions on this?
https://rabbit.org/health/appropriate-use-of-antibiotics-in-rabbits/George has already been through enrofloxacin ("Baytril") with steroids when he was at the Small Animal Clinic in Saskatoon last fall, and then oral ciprofloxacin ("Ciloxan") and injected penicillin from two more rounds from our vet here in town. Obviously getting a culture done to confirm what drug will affect it will be best, and I'll try for that, but I'm wondering whether I should be pushing for any of the other medications from this article if they just want to do more of what he's already had so far.
[argh: hit some key combination which lost long message I'd typed; apologies if this re-write sounds frustrated]
George saw the vet this morning. Well, I did too.
Mostly good news: it's still only in his "upper respiratory tract" aka a sinus infection, not in his lungs. So we're going with a different antibiotic (azithromycin) and antibiotic eye drops and meloxicam, and oh ya, a probiotic...
She's "looking into" what the lab can do with a culture. She wasn't sure if an applicable PCR test exists, or which drugs they can test against if they do get a sufficient culture grown. To do it right, they need a swab from all the way in the back of the sinus cavity, which means sedation, so she really doesn't want to do that without knowing exactly what we could get out of it. Sigh... I really wish I could just know exactly what he's got, even if I can't do anything about it.
Oh, and as a "can't hurt" measure, we're to try environment improvements - specifically air purifier and humidifier. My partner jokes that he's going to have better conditions than the humans do.
[heard in background: "You're going to be grabbing me and force-medicating me twice a day again?"]
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George saw the vet this morning. Well, I did too.
Mostly good news: it's still only in his "upper respiratory tract" aka a sinus infection, not in his lungs. So we're going with a different antibiotic (azithromycin) and antibiotic eye drops and meloxicam, and oh ya, a probiotic...
She's "looking into" what the lab can do with a culture. She wasn't sure if an applicable PCR test exists, or which drugs they can test against if they do get a sufficient culture grown. To do it right, they need a swab from all the way in the back of the sinus cavity, which means sedation, so she really doesn't want to do that without knowing exactly what we could get out of it. Sigh... I really wish I could just know exactly what he's got, even if I can't do anything about it.
Oh, and as a "can't hurt" measure, we're to try environment improvements - specifically air purifier and humidifier. My partner jokes that he's going to have better conditions than the humans do.
[heard in background: "You're going to be grabbing me and force-medicating me twice a day again?"]
@cazabon Poor George... hope you can figure out what's going on with him and get him the right treatment ASAP - we went through a lot of that with Matilda and it was no fun for anyone.
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George saw the vet this morning. Well, I did too.
Mostly good news: it's still only in his "upper respiratory tract" aka a sinus infection, not in his lungs. So we're going with a different antibiotic (azithromycin) and antibiotic eye drops and meloxicam, and oh ya, a probiotic...
She's "looking into" what the lab can do with a culture. She wasn't sure if an applicable PCR test exists, or which drugs they can test against if they do get a sufficient culture grown. To do it right, they need a swab from all the way in the back of the sinus cavity, which means sedation, so she really doesn't want to do that without knowing exactly what we could get out of it. Sigh... I really wish I could just know exactly what he's got, even if I can't do anything about it.
Oh, and as a "can't hurt" measure, we're to try environment improvements - specifically air purifier and humidifier. My partner jokes that he's going to have better conditions than the humans do.
[heard in background: "You're going to be grabbing me and force-medicating me twice a day again?"]
@cazabon Good news that it’s higher up in his respiratory tract. Ugh too bad about the treatment, though. Assume tobradoz for the eyes? We’ve been on that a million times here. It likes to ball up with surface tension and roll..
Probiotics can be tasty! Our buns would do anything for a bit of the benebac gel we have. Hmm, Skye has a humidifier, too
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George saw the vet this morning. Well, I did too.
Mostly good news: it's still only in his "upper respiratory tract" aka a sinus infection, not in his lungs. So we're going with a different antibiotic (azithromycin) and antibiotic eye drops and meloxicam, and oh ya, a probiotic...
She's "looking into" what the lab can do with a culture. She wasn't sure if an applicable PCR test exists, or which drugs they can test against if they do get a sufficient culture grown. To do it right, they need a swab from all the way in the back of the sinus cavity, which means sedation, so she really doesn't want to do that without knowing exactly what we could get out of it. Sigh... I really wish I could just know exactly what he's got, even if I can't do anything about it.
Oh, and as a "can't hurt" measure, we're to try environment improvements - specifically air purifier and humidifier. My partner jokes that he's going to have better conditions than the humans do.
[heard in background: "You're going to be grabbing me and force-medicating me twice a day again?"]
@cazabon Poor George. Really hope the new meds and humidifier help.
What kind of flooring is George on most of the time? If it's carpet, is it possible the infection is coming from that? Bunnies are right at ground level and even the cleanest carpets have dust mites, bacteria, etc. Just a wild thought. -
George saw the vet this morning. Well, I did too.
Mostly good news: it's still only in his "upper respiratory tract" aka a sinus infection, not in his lungs. So we're going with a different antibiotic (azithromycin) and antibiotic eye drops and meloxicam, and oh ya, a probiotic...
She's "looking into" what the lab can do with a culture. She wasn't sure if an applicable PCR test exists, or which drugs they can test against if they do get a sufficient culture grown. To do it right, they need a swab from all the way in the back of the sinus cavity, which means sedation, so she really doesn't want to do that without knowing exactly what we could get out of it. Sigh... I really wish I could just know exactly what he's got, even if I can't do anything about it.
Oh, and as a "can't hurt" measure, we're to try environment improvements - specifically air purifier and humidifier. My partner jokes that he's going to have better conditions than the humans do.
[heard in background: "You're going to be grabbing me and force-medicating me twice a day again?"]
Feel better soon, George. BunDad and I both have asthma, so we use super-duper air filters for the house HVAC. I don’t know if that would work for you and your partner and George. He deserves the best.
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@cazabon Good news that it’s higher up in his respiratory tract. Ugh too bad about the treatment, though. Assume tobradoz for the eyes? We’ve been on that a million times here. It likes to ball up with surface tension and roll..
Probiotics can be tasty! Our buns would do anything for a bit of the benebac gel we have. Hmm, Skye has a humidifier, too
…It's not tobramycin or tobradex (which is tobramycin with dexamethasone, is that different from tobradoz?). The vet has annoying put the great big labels right over the branding information, but this eye gel is chloramphenicol.
The probiotic is the one you mentioned - a yellow gel? Good to hear it's not nasty, maybe he'll take it nicely then.
The NSA is gonna think this group is an illegal underground pharmaceutical company or something.
