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  3. As a teenager, I read technical computer books and manuals for the Systems/36 and the AS400 (as well as a whole host of other systems) and, after a lot of blood, sweat and tears, I eventually became what I am today: a systems programmer.

As a teenager, I read technical computer books and manuals for the Systems/36 and the AS400 (as well as a whole host of other systems) and, after a lot of blood, sweat and tears, I eventually became what I am today: a systems programmer.

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  • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

    @bitchboss also you ain't gonna freak out when internet is gone or AIslop generators are unreachable, but most likely just flip open some manpages and calmly look at the code yourself.

    Cuz all the "AI" bullshit is just self-lobotomizing garbage.

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    @kkarhan

    Like:

    While I was rummaging around on the junk yard, I found this board and this drive. What is it? Can you get it working?

    Armageddon Scenario 1.
    Do you have AI?

    Armageddon Scenario 2.
    Oh, A MOS6502C. Let’s pop it onto an experiment board and see if it still works. I do remember how to assemble a mini DOS to read from that drive. Got more nifty components found in that pile of yours?

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    • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

      @bitchboss also you ain't gonna freak out when internet is gone or AIslop generators are unreachable, but most likely just flip open some manpages and calmly look at the code yourself.

      Cuz all the "AI" bullshit is just self-lobotomizing garbage.

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      @kkarhan

      AI can also have its benefits, but learn from it. How does that boilerplate code actually work? Don’t just implement it.

      I use AI as a encyclopaedia, a reference guide. I don’t copy and paste entire programmes or even functions. Otherwise, I’d have to analyse and explain them; moreover, it wouldn’t be my coding style, so that takes a lot of time I don't have.

      My company follows ISO standards. It takes too much time to get it right. I’d rather write it myself.

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      • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

        As a teenager, I read technical computer books and manuals for the Systems/36 and the AS400 (as well as a whole host of other systems) and, after a lot of blood, sweat and tears, I eventually became what I am today: a systems programmer.

        Statement by statement, method by method, class by class, I know what I have written. It’s in my head, an implant. I don’t need to ask AI what the intention was behind that piece of AI-generated code. I know how my programme works. Knowledge is the real power.

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        @bitchboss
        An inspiring story, thank you for that. Just not convinced about the picture you used.

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        • alterelefant@mastodontech.deA alterelefant@mastodontech.de

          @bitchboss
          An inspiring story, thank you for that. Just not convinced about the picture you used.

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          @alterelefant

          From a Google search. You can tell by the fanciful switches that it’s AI-generated. But for an illustration of a 500-byte piece of text that’ll vanish into the void in eight weeks’ time, I’m certainly not going to hire a photographer at 50 euros an hour or get an artist to draw an illustration. You can choose to spit on everything, but you might just end up putting out the fire.

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          • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

            @alterelefant

            From a Google search. You can tell by the fanciful switches that it’s AI-generated. But for an illustration of a 500-byte piece of text that’ll vanish into the void in eight weeks’ time, I’m certainly not going to hire a photographer at 50 euros an hour or get an artist to draw an illustration. You can choose to spit on everything, but you might just end up putting out the fire.

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            @bitchboss
            Sorry for not being impressed by generated pictures. I personally prefer Creative Commons for free to use illustrations and photos. Those are made by real people and depict people that actually exist. I think it would have made your story even stronger.

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            • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

              @kkarhan

              AI can also have its benefits, but learn from it. How does that boilerplate code actually work? Don’t just implement it.

              I use AI as a encyclopaedia, a reference guide. I don’t copy and paste entire programmes or even functions. Otherwise, I’d have to analyse and explain them; moreover, it wouldn’t be my coding style, so that takes a lot of time I don't have.

              My company follows ISO standards. It takes too much time to get it right. I’d rather write it myself.

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              @bitchboss Personally I think the only reasonable take-away is this

              Besides, I've been in "dark sites" that are completely airgapped and where I had to basically convince CSO & CISO that I'm allowed to have manpages on an eInk reader as they don't allow any unsanctioned devices and -storage media inside, so that was fun.

              • Not to mention the only way one was allowed to transfer code in and out was via keyboard, screen and brain, so that was intentional...
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              • kkarhan@infosec.spaceK kkarhan@infosec.space

                @bitchboss Personally I think the only reasonable take-away is this

                Besides, I've been in "dark sites" that are completely airgapped and where I had to basically convince CSO & CISO that I'm allowed to have manpages on an eInk reader as they don't allow any unsanctioned devices and -storage media inside, so that was fun.

                • Not to mention the only way one was allowed to transfer code in and out was via keyboard, screen and brain, so that was intentional...
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                @kkarhan

                One rule we follow is: If you don’t pass the code reviews, there’s a chance you won’t make it through your two-month probationary period either. It’s a bit of an incentive.

                But what I find even more important is the motivation to become a programmer. Managers enjoy playing around with AI, but we already have plenty of those on the team.

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                  @kkarhan

                  One rule we follow is: If you don’t pass the code reviews, there’s a chance you won’t make it through your two-month probationary period either. It’s a bit of an incentive.

                  But what I find even more important is the motivation to become a programmer. Managers enjoy playing around with AI, but we already have plenty of those on the team.

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                  @bitchboss granted, I'm more of a Sysadmin than coder (and my coding is merely done to configure and fit pieces together), so I'm less concerned about that, as I tend to document my stuff...

                  • And yes, I think hands-on mentality is more important than chasing trends.
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                  • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                    As a teenager, I read technical computer books and manuals for the Systems/36 and the AS400 (as well as a whole host of other systems) and, after a lot of blood, sweat and tears, I eventually became what I am today: a systems programmer.

                    Statement by statement, method by method, class by class, I know what I have written. It’s in my head, an implant. I don’t need to ask AI what the intention was behind that piece of AI-generated code. I know how my programme works. Knowledge is the real power.

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                    @bitchboss I was a System/38 and IBM 4341 kid, and DEC VAX11/750 kid before that, but otherwise same!

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                    • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                      @kkarhan

                      Like:

                      While I was rummaging around on the junk yard, I found this board and this drive. What is it? Can you get it working?

                      Armageddon Scenario 1.
                      Do you have AI?

                      Armageddon Scenario 2.
                      Oh, A MOS6502C. Let’s pop it onto an experiment board and see if it still works. I do remember how to assemble a mini DOS to read from that drive. Got more nifty components found in that pile of yours?

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                      @bitchboss That is why we still have to start digital education with Flop-Flops, AND, NAND, OR, NOR gates, counters, shiftregisters, and bitslice alu's. I've build complete circuits with these component. These are the fundaments of the digital eara of today.

                      @kkarhan

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                      • lerxst@az.socialL lerxst@az.social

                        @bitchboss I was a System/38 and IBM 4341 kid, and DEC VAX11/750 kid before that, but otherwise same!

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                        @bitchboss although at some point I decided to dabble with masochism and wound up doing security instead.

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                        • lerxst@az.socialL lerxst@az.social

                          @bitchboss although at some point I decided to dabble with masochism and wound up doing security instead.

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                          @lerxst

                          🤣 It comes with the package of certain generations!

                          I worked with DBase4 for VAX/VMS around 1991... That was great fun! (I’d also written Clipper programmes in the 1980s, so they appointed me dbadmin without a second thought)

                          I'm also doing a sort of (db) security task by coding a digital signing program that checks integrity before/after ETL from local btrieve to cloud PosgreSQL. The transform factor makes it a quite a challenge!

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                          • alterelefant@mastodontech.deA alterelefant@mastodontech.de

                            @bitchboss
                            Sorry for not being impressed by generated pictures. I personally prefer Creative Commons for free to use illustrations and photos. Those are made by real people and depict people that actually exist. I think it would have made your story even stronger.

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                            @alterelefant

                            You’re right that images under a Creative Commons licence would have been ideal, and I appreciate you pointing that out to me. I will take this into account for future articles, particularly if the article is of a permanent nature. In this case, I made a judgement call based on the temporary nature of the piece and the budget (0,00), but I understand that the visual material is indeed important to the story. That is a reasonable consideration to bear in mind next time.

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                            • fenixmaster@mastodon.socialF fenixmaster@mastodon.social

                              @bitchboss That is why we still have to start digital education with Flop-Flops, AND, NAND, OR, NOR gates, counters, shiftregisters, and bitslice alu's. I've build complete circuits with these component. These are the fundaments of the digital eara of today.

                              @kkarhan

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                              @fenixmaster @kkarhan

                              Flip-flops or just flops.

                              Some have made it their life’s work. And it actually works just like a real 6502. Brilliant! For me, it all started with simple logic transistor circuits and the stubborn determination to learn the 6502 microcode first, before writing a programme in a higher-level language.

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                                @fenixmaster @kkarhan

                                Flip-flops or just flops.

                                Some have made it their life’s work. And it actually works just like a real 6502. Brilliant! For me, it all started with simple logic transistor circuits and the stubborn determination to learn the 6502 microcode first, before writing a programme in a higher-level language.

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                                @bitchboss @fenixmaster @kkarhan

                                This is beautiful. 😍

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