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  3. Consider the following: rust rewrites of projects like coreutils exist purely to remove copyleft licensing.

Consider the following: rust rewrites of projects like coreutils exist purely to remove copyleft licensing.

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  • torb@hachyderm.ioT torb@hachyderm.io

    @txt_file @maxine Could maybe be because Linux is using an older version of the GPL license that corporations like better?

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    @torb @txt_file @maxine android uses Linux just fine and it's getting more and more closed. The way I understood it is it's legal because as far as Linux is concerned, all parts of android outside of the kernel are no different from random proprietary apps you can run on your desktop, which is not even a GPL thing but a special additional clause in the Linux license

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    • flesh@transfem.socialF flesh@transfem.social

      @bms48@mastodon.social @maxine@hachyderm.io Classifying BSD/MIT as anti-labour in general is debatable. That said, in particular contexts like this, they sure can be.

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      @flesh @maxine @bms48 Agreed, MIT is appropriate, even necessary in some circumstance - Godot engine would not be possible without MIT licensing. However, projects like this effectively laundering the licence shouldn't be tolerated.

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      • maxine@hachyderm.ioM maxine@hachyderm.io

        Consider the following: rust rewrites of projects like coreutils exist purely to remove copyleft licensing. The supposed security and performance gains are irrelevant, and while memory safety is important, logic bugs don’t suddenly cease to exist just because it was written in Rust.

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        @maxine can you explain to a license noob what copyleft licensing means?

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        • kelpana@mastodon.ieK kelpana@mastodon.ie

          @flesh @maxine @bms48 Agreed, MIT is appropriate, even necessary in some circumstance - Godot engine would not be possible without MIT licensing. However, projects like this effectively laundering the licence shouldn't be tolerated.

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          @kelpana @flesh @maxine I can't quite understand the correlation between "rewrite in Rust" and "adopt permissive licensing", nor do I imply causation from it, as some mention. But the stated arguments in defence of these actions seem specious at best. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" goes the old wisdom, but they insist on footgunning themselves, citing "oh because it's memory-safe". I don't run conspiracy theory either way, I just mentally read it in the Homer Simpson voice. DOH!

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          • maxine@hachyderm.ioM maxine@hachyderm.io

            Consider the following: rust rewrites of projects like coreutils exist purely to remove copyleft licensing. The supposed security and performance gains are irrelevant, and while memory safety is important, logic bugs don’t suddenly cease to exist just because it was written in Rust.

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            Ubuntu Rust Coreutils Audit Revealed 113 Issues, Ubuntu 26.10 Aims For "100% Rust Coreutils"

            Ahead of tomorrow's Ubuntu 26.04 LTS release, Canonical published a blog post today outlining the state of Rust Coreutils for its premiere in this long-term support (LTS) version

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            (www.phoronix.com)

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            @maxine a good thing to note is that while Rust is licensed permissively, you can license rust programs with whatever you want, including copyleft licenses.

            This isn't a rust rewrite problem, this is a general rewrite problem

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            • maxine@hachyderm.ioM maxine@hachyderm.io

              Consider the following: rust rewrites of projects like coreutils exist purely to remove copyleft licensing. The supposed security and performance gains are irrelevant, and while memory safety is important, logic bugs don’t suddenly cease to exist just because it was written in Rust.

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              Ubuntu Rust Coreutils Audit Revealed 113 Issues, Ubuntu 26.10 Aims For "100% Rust Coreutils"

              Ahead of tomorrow's Ubuntu 26.04 LTS release, Canonical published a blog post today outlining the state of Rust Coreutils for its premiere in this long-term support (LTS) version

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              (www.phoronix.com)

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              @maxine From the rust coreutils repo:

              > Goals
              > uutils coreutils aims to be a drop-in replacement for the GNU utils. **Differences with GNU are treated as bugs.**

              I guess I should file a licence change PR? 😏

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              Cross-platform Rust rewrite of the GNU coreutils. Contribute to uutils/coreutils development by creating an account on GitHub.

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              • flixxie@troet.cafeF flixxie@troet.cafe

                @maxine can you explain to a license noob what copyleft licensing means?

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                @flixxie @maxine Copyleft means people can create modified versions of the software but must pass on that right to recipients. In contrast to BSD where the maker of a modified version can choose to keep it proprietary.

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