As this weekend's post-mortems of the Gorton & Denton by-election get under way its worth making the key point that I'm sure will be made anyway:
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As this weekend's post-mortems of the Gorton & Denton by-election get under way its worth making the key point that I'm sure will be made anyway:
Its not so much that Labour voters have abandoned the Labour Party, but more the Labour Party has been abandoning its Left voters for years;
the lesson of Thursday is taking the Leftish for granted only works when there is no Left alternative.
If Thursday changed anything, it made that much, much clearer!
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As this weekend's post-mortems of the Gorton & Denton by-election get under way its worth making the key point that I'm sure will be made anyway:
Its not so much that Labour voters have abandoned the Labour Party, but more the Labour Party has been abandoning its Left voters for years;
the lesson of Thursday is taking the Leftish for granted only works when there is no Left alternative.
If Thursday changed anything, it made that much, much clearer!
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As this weekend's post-mortems of the Gorton & Denton by-election get under way its worth making the key point that I'm sure will be made anyway:
Its not so much that Labour voters have abandoned the Labour Party, but more the Labour Party has been abandoning its Left voters for years;
the lesson of Thursday is taking the Leftish for granted only works when there is no Left alternative.
If Thursday changed anything, it made that much, much clearer!
Yesterday morning on BBC R4 they explained how Labour was not just facing an 'insurgency' from the right with Reform but now also am ''insurgency' from the left with the Greens.
My conclusion was the BBC doesn't know what insurgency means.
Also Stormer in his post by-election statement was bashing the green for wanting to leave NATO and legalise drugs.
The guy is a complete idiot.
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As this weekend's post-mortems of the Gorton & Denton by-election get under way its worth making the key point that I'm sure will be made anyway:
Its not so much that Labour voters have abandoned the Labour Party, but more the Labour Party has been abandoning its Left voters for years;
the lesson of Thursday is taking the Leftish for granted only works when there is no Left alternative.
If Thursday changed anything, it made that much, much clearer!
@ChrisMayLA6 This process has been happening in Scotland and Wales a lot longer than it's been happening in England. In Scotland it lost the party power a long time ago; in Wales, the impact has been partially hidden, because so much of the population lives in a small corner of the country where hatred of the English right means that Labour could steadily lose support and still (just about) win - so they've been teetering on the edge of collapse for twenty-odd years without much realising it.
But then, this isn't just a product of the current leadership taking voters for granted. The endless internal squabbles that have defined the party's entire history have all been built upon the belief that Labour's support has nowhere else to go. Periods when the left of the party have driven voters away - like in the early 80s or early 30s - were founded upon the same problem.
The 126-year-old question is: how do you stop the Labour party from believing that the Labour party is always the single most important issue of the day?
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@ChrisMayLA6 This process has been happening in Scotland and Wales a lot longer than it's been happening in England. In Scotland it lost the party power a long time ago; in Wales, the impact has been partially hidden, because so much of the population lives in a small corner of the country where hatred of the English right means that Labour could steadily lose support and still (just about) win - so they've been teetering on the edge of collapse for twenty-odd years without much realising it.
But then, this isn't just a product of the current leadership taking voters for granted. The endless internal squabbles that have defined the party's entire history have all been built upon the belief that Labour's support has nowhere else to go. Periods when the left of the party have driven voters away - like in the early 80s or early 30s - were founded upon the same problem.
The 126-year-old question is: how do you stop the Labour party from believing that the Labour party is always the single most important issue of the day?
@RolloTreadway @ChrisMayLA6 Plaid Cymru is my socialist alternative here
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As this weekend's post-mortems of the Gorton & Denton by-election get under way its worth making the key point that I'm sure will be made anyway:
Its not so much that Labour voters have abandoned the Labour Party, but more the Labour Party has been abandoning its Left voters for years;
the lesson of Thursday is taking the Leftish for granted only works when there is no Left alternative.
If Thursday changed anything, it made that much, much clearer!
As a leftist with some communist leanings, I have never voted labour much less been a member. I have simply never seen them as genuinely a party for workers.
The Greens however have, being founded as they were as The Peoples Party.
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@ChrisMayLA6 This process has been happening in Scotland and Wales a lot longer than it's been happening in England. In Scotland it lost the party power a long time ago; in Wales, the impact has been partially hidden, because so much of the population lives in a small corner of the country where hatred of the English right means that Labour could steadily lose support and still (just about) win - so they've been teetering on the edge of collapse for twenty-odd years without much realising it.
But then, this isn't just a product of the current leadership taking voters for granted. The endless internal squabbles that have defined the party's entire history have all been built upon the belief that Labour's support has nowhere else to go. Periods when the left of the party have driven voters away - like in the early 80s or early 30s - were founded upon the same problem.
The 126-year-old question is: how do you stop the Labour party from believing that the Labour party is always the single most important issue of the day?
@RolloTreadway @ChrisMayLA6
It's called PASOKification after the precipitous decline of its sister party in Greece. -
Yesterday morning on BBC R4 they explained how Labour was not just facing an 'insurgency' from the right with Reform but now also am ''insurgency' from the left with the Greens.
My conclusion was the BBC doesn't know what insurgency means.
Also Stormer in his post by-election statement was bashing the green for wanting to leave NATO and legalise drugs.
The guy is a complete idiot.
I've had a couple of discussions with people, and I'm not a Green Party member, about the difference between their actual policies and the way they're portrayed in the media.
The good things Labour have already achieved are largely unnoticed, while every mistake (and there are many) becomes widely reported.
Likewise, the Greens have an even more uphill struggle in terms of correcting inaccurate and unfair portrayals of their message. -
@Thebratdragon @ChrisMayLA6
Since Blair. -
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