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Servers on the Fediverse are totally independent of each other, with no centralised infrastructure at all.

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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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    Servers on the Fediverse are totally independent of each other, with no centralised infrastructure at all. If one server goes down, other servers can keep going. The essence of the Fediverse is that it does not put all its eggs in one basket.

    There are also many other advantages to decentralised networks:

    ➡️ https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers

    It's also why many people have alternative accounts on different servers, so they will always be able to post:

    ➡️ https://fedi.tips/using-multiple-accounts-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse

    #FediTips #Fediverse

    sergiotorlai@organica.socialS gabboman@gabboman.xyzG hellomiakoda@pdx.socialH feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF 4 Replies Last reply
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    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

      Servers on the Fediverse are totally independent of each other, with no centralised infrastructure at all. If one server goes down, other servers can keep going. The essence of the Fediverse is that it does not put all its eggs in one basket.

      There are also many other advantages to decentralised networks:

      ➡️ https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers

      It's also why many people have alternative accounts on different servers, so they will always be able to post:

      ➡️ https://fedi.tips/using-multiple-accounts-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse

      #FediTips #Fediverse

      sergiotorlai@organica.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @FediTips

      @classicabambi

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      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

        Servers on the Fediverse are totally independent of each other, with no centralised infrastructure at all. If one server goes down, other servers can keep going. The essence of the Fediverse is that it does not put all its eggs in one basket.

        There are also many other advantages to decentralised networks:

        ➡️ https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers

        It's also why many people have alternative accounts on different servers, so they will always be able to post:

        ➡️ https://fedi.tips/using-multiple-accounts-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse

        #FediTips #Fediverse

        gabboman@gabboman.xyzG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @FediTips@social.growyourown.services

        I dont want to be an annoying prick, but wafrn servers do have atproto support and we are not affected by the outage

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        • gabboman@gabboman.xyzG gabboman@gabboman.xyz

          @FediTips@social.growyourown.services

          I dont want to be an annoying prick, but wafrn servers do have atproto support and we are not affected by the outage

          wakame@tech.lgbtW This user is from outside of this forum
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          @gabboman @FediTips

          "Bluesky uses the so-called Cthulhu infrastructure pattern, meaning 'many tentacles but only one head'.
          Naturally, that head is both the bottleneck and the weak point of the overall system."

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            Servers on the Fediverse are totally independent of each other, with no centralised infrastructure at all. If one server goes down, other servers can keep going. The essence of the Fediverse is that it does not put all its eggs in one basket.

            There are also many other advantages to decentralised networks:

            ➡️ https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers

            It's also why many people have alternative accounts on different servers, so they will always be able to post:

            ➡️ https://fedi.tips/using-multiple-accounts-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse

            #FediTips #Fediverse

            hellomiakoda@pdx.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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            @FediTips Ah, reminds me, I need to get eggs. Thanks.

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            • wakame@tech.lgbtW wakame@tech.lgbt

              @gabboman @FediTips

              "Bluesky uses the so-called Cthulhu infrastructure pattern, meaning 'many tentacles but only one head'.
              Naturally, that head is both the bottleneck and the weak point of the overall system."

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              @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @wakame@tech.lgbt

              that is wildly incorrect, and I say this as someone who has implemented both activitypub and atproto.

              Knowing how fedi works is knowing trains (cmon is fedi. Also joke about getting railed).

              atproto is boats. boats dont get railed (I promised a joke about getting railed).

              reddwarf is working, and wafrn instances are working fine. blacksky is working.

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                @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @wakame@tech.lgbt

                that is wildly incorrect, and I say this as someone who has implemented both activitypub and atproto.

                Knowing how fedi works is knowing trains (cmon is fedi. Also joke about getting railed).

                atproto is boats. boats dont get railed (I promised a joke about getting railed).

                reddwarf is working, and wafrn instances are working fine. blacksky is working.

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                @gabboman @FediTips

                Great, now you are messing up my metaphor.

                I can already see it getting all hot and bothered...

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                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                  Servers on the Fediverse are totally independent of each other, with no centralised infrastructure at all. If one server goes down, other servers can keep going. The essence of the Fediverse is that it does not put all its eggs in one basket.

                  There are also many other advantages to decentralised networks:

                  ➡️ https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers

                  It's also why many people have alternative accounts on different servers, so they will always be able to post:

                  ➡️ https://fedi.tips/using-multiple-accounts-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse

                  #FediTips #Fediverse

                  feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  p.s. The Fediverse can only keep being resilient like this as long as we stay spread out on many servers. If we congregate on one server, that puts the entire network in danger of major outages.

                  That's why it's a bad idea to sign up on a supergiant server like mastodon.social, and much better to sign up on a different server. You can find lots of good reliable human-curated servers at https://fedi.garden and https://joinmastodon.org/servers

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                  • wakame@tech.lgbtW wakame@tech.lgbt

                    @gabboman @FediTips

                    Great, now you are messing up my metaphor.

                    I can already see it getting all hot and bothered...

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                    @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @wakame@tech.lgbt

                    your metaphor was too wrong im afraid

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                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                      p.s. The Fediverse can only keep being resilient like this as long as we stay spread out on many servers. If we congregate on one server, that puts the entire network in danger of major outages.

                      That's why it's a bad idea to sign up on a supergiant server like mastodon.social, and much better to sign up on a different server. You can find lots of good reliable human-curated servers at https://fedi.garden and https://joinmastodon.org/servers

                      noondlyt@hellions.cloudN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @FediTips

                      I see Mastodon.social as the mainland from which to start your journey. Then you island hop (follow lots of different accounts on different servers) discover where you would like to put down roots, and move. 🙂

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                      • gabboman@gabboman.xyzG gabboman@gabboman.xyz

                        @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @wakame@tech.lgbt

                        your metaphor was too wrong im afraid

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                        @gabboman @FediTips

                        I thought the original idea was to have a bottleneck between servers and users, did they change any of that?

                        I mean "aggregating services" of course, not bottleneck-gatekeeping-thing.

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                        • wakame@tech.lgbtW wakame@tech.lgbt

                          @gabboman @FediTips

                          I thought the original idea was to have a bottleneck between servers and users, did they change any of that?

                          I mean "aggregating services" of course, not bottleneck-gatekeeping-thing.

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                          @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @wakame@tech.lgbt

                          no. those were initial implementations limitations. the ecosystem has changed a lot since that propaganda from more than a year ago

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                          • noondlyt@hellions.cloudN noondlyt@hellions.cloud

                            @FediTips

                            I see Mastodon.social as the mainland from which to start your journey. Then you island hop (follow lots of different accounts on different servers) discover where you would like to put down roots, and move. 🙂

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                            @noondlyt

                            I get that's the theory, but in practice it hasn't worked out like that 😔

                            Mastodon.social has become an increasing percentage of the Fediverse since it was placed as a "default" server on the official Mastodon app. If mastodon.social keeps growing it will put the network in danger.

                            I'm guessing new people are reluctant to move once they've signed up, so to protect the network it would be better to have them sign up on other servers?

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                            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                              p.s. The Fediverse can only keep being resilient like this as long as we stay spread out on many servers. If we congregate on one server, that puts the entire network in danger of major outages.

                              That's why it's a bad idea to sign up on a supergiant server like mastodon.social, and much better to sign up on a different server. You can find lots of good reliable human-curated servers at https://fedi.garden and https://joinmastodon.org/servers

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                              @FediTips 2 things that don't help / is 100% needed on Mastodon:

                              - Activity by admin on servers to give time / engage / push / develop their ppl.

                              Not good enough just to provide space & do #caturday pics
                              (although it's nice, not that mostly or only - real measurable human listening / development)

                              - Accepting imperfection / doubt + using for more forward-thinking #TRUST / #LOVE.

                              The manual 2-way work of deciding who is really bad - nobody is perfect but more have to work with all levels.

                              🆗?

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                              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                @noondlyt

                                I get that's the theory, but in practice it hasn't worked out like that 😔

                                Mastodon.social has become an increasing percentage of the Fediverse since it was placed as a "default" server on the official Mastodon app. If mastodon.social keeps growing it will put the network in danger.

                                I'm guessing new people are reluctant to move once they've signed up, so to protect the network it would be better to have them sign up on other servers?

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                                @FediTips @noondlyt plus many of us Admins have muted or outright blocked mastodon social for the unmoderated spam and harassment that comes from them. Meaning many users there are unlikely to see n ch of the real fediverse, and be stuck with the local timeline.
                                Their size and brand recognition are the only reason they haven't been completely defederated like truth social or others.

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                                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                  @noondlyt

                                  I get that's the theory, but in practice it hasn't worked out like that 😔

                                  Mastodon.social has become an increasing percentage of the Fediverse since it was placed as a "default" server on the official Mastodon app. If mastodon.social keeps growing it will put the network in danger.

                                  I'm guessing new people are reluctant to move once they've signed up, so to protect the network it would be better to have them sign up on other servers?

                                  noondlyt@hellions.cloudN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @FediTips

                                  The solution is easy but pretty hardcore: Cap new accounts on the largest servers.

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