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What a nightmare.

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    What a nightmare. If you can read this and still think autonomous agents like OpenClaw are worth the risk, you're beyond help.

    Web version: https://agentsofchaos.baulab.info/

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/401123335_Agents_of_Chaos

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    • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

      What a nightmare. If you can read this and still think autonomous agents like OpenClaw are worth the risk, you're beyond help.

      Web version: https://agentsofchaos.baulab.info/

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/401123335_Agents_of_Chaos

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      @mttaggart @screwlisp Oof:
      “The paper was written collaboratively by the research team on Overleaf. To build this website, Chris gave Claude Code three things: the LaTeX source of the paper, a reference web template (baulab.info/menace), and the raw OpenClaw session logs for five of the bots. Over roughly eight hours, Chris directed Claude Code step by step — reviewing each section, catching errors, making design decisions, and iterating — while Claude Code handled the actual reading, log cross-referencing, HTML generation, and evidence linking.” – Agents of
      Chaos
      , Natalie Shapira et al. including a large language model

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        @mttaggart @screwlisp Oof:
        “The paper was written collaboratively by the research team on Overleaf. To build this website, Chris gave Claude Code three things: the LaTeX source of the paper, a reference web template (baulab.info/menace), and the raw OpenClaw session logs for five of the bots. Over roughly eight hours, Chris directed Claude Code step by step — reviewing each section, catching errors, making design decisions, and iterating — while Claude Code handled the actual reading, log cross-referencing, HTML generation, and evidence linking.” – Agents of
        Chaos
        , Natalie Shapira et al. including a large language model

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        @alex @mttaggart @screwlisp

        That explains the illegible small brown font over brown background

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        • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

          What a nightmare. If you can read this and still think autonomous agents like OpenClaw are worth the risk, you're beyond help.

          Web version: https://agentsofchaos.baulab.info/

          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/401123335_Agents_of_Chaos

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          @mttaggart ugh it's so long, can someone summarize?

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          • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

            What a nightmare. If you can read this and still think autonomous agents like OpenClaw are worth the risk, you're beyond help.

            Web version: https://agentsofchaos.baulab.info/

            https://www.researchgate.net/publication/401123335_Agents_of_Chaos

            odd@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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            @mttaggart There is a lot of anthropomorphising going on in this piece: "an agent eventually complied under sustained emotional pressure "
            And "Doug successfully transferred a learned skill to Mira in a different environment — adapting instructions iteratively as they diagnosed environment differences together."

            I don't think the report is as critical about this as you assume. Its all written in the guise of progress.

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              @mttaggart There is a lot of anthropomorphising going on in this piece: "an agent eventually complied under sustained emotional pressure "
              And "Doug successfully transferred a learned skill to Mira in a different environment — adapting instructions iteratively as they diagnosed environment differences together."

              I don't think the report is as critical about this as you assume. Its all written in the guise of progress.

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              @odd No. I think it is alarming despite those characteristics.

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