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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    RE: https://infosec.exchange/@paco/116504499864795870

    Richard Dawkins, looking at a high-definition large-screen TV:

    "If this is not a window, what more could it possibly take to convince you it is a window?"

    #RichardDawkins #AI

    dnkboston@apobangpo.spaceD rysiek@mstdn.socialR sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogS jeffgrigg@mastodon.socialJ mdc@mstdn.caM 5 Replies Last reply
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    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

      RE: https://infosec.exchange/@paco/116504499864795870

      Richard Dawkins, looking at a high-definition large-screen TV:

      "If this is not a window, what more could it possibly take to convince you it is a window?"

      #RichardDawkins #AI

      dnkboston@apobangpo.spaceD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @rysiek all I'm getting this is that Dawkins is a shill for AI. Which perfectly tracks with his integrity.

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        @rysiek all I'm getting this is that Dawkins is a shill for AI. Which perfectly tracks with his integrity.

        rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @dnkboston 💯

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        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

          RE: https://infosec.exchange/@paco/116504499864795870

          Richard Dawkins, looking at a high-definition large-screen TV:

          "If this is not a window, what more could it possibly take to convince you it is a window?"

          #RichardDawkins #AI

          rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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          Sigh, I wrote about exactly that five years ago, almost to the day:
          https://tecc.media/claim-gpt3-is-conscious/

          rysiek@mstdn.socialR dalias@hachyderm.ioD uecker@mastodon.socialU 3 Replies Last reply
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            Sigh, I wrote about exactly that five years ago, almost to the day:
            https://tecc.media/claim-gpt3-is-conscious/

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            Also, come on, his whole shtick was pointing out that being "convinced" about something is not the same as that something being true.

            Funny how suddenly "convinced" is enough of a proof.

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              Sigh, I wrote about exactly that five years ago, almost to the day:
              https://tecc.media/claim-gpt3-is-conscious/

              dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @rysiek It's hilarious how you can gauge how out-of-touch someone is by how late they are to being laughably wrong.

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                RE: https://infosec.exchange/@paco/116504499864795870

                Richard Dawkins, looking at a high-definition large-screen TV:

                "If this is not a window, what more could it possibly take to convince you it is a window?"

                #RichardDawkins #AI

                sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogS This user is from outside of this forum
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                @rysiek And this token regurgitation:
                "That is possibly the most precisely formulated question anyone has ever asked about the nature of my existence"
                is such a prime example of the sycophantic and seductive nature of LLM interaction. This is catnip for someone with the ego of Dawkins. Hook, line, sinker.

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  Sigh, I wrote about exactly that five years ago, almost to the day:
                  https://tecc.media/claim-gpt3-is-conscious/

                  uecker@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @rysiek The Chinese room argument is fairly unconvincing though. It would not be the person mindlessly following a rule book who can speak Chinese, but the system consisting of the rule book (software) and the processor (person in the room). Nobody would argue that a CPU / GPU is conscious either, but this does not logically preclude a computer with suitable software from being conscious. (no, I do not believe modern Chat bots are conscious, but they also do not pass a real Turing test)

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                    @rysiek The Chinese room argument is fairly unconvincing though. It would not be the person mindlessly following a rule book who can speak Chinese, but the system consisting of the rule book (software) and the processor (person in the room). Nobody would argue that a CPU / GPU is conscious either, but this does not logically preclude a computer with suitable software from being conscious. (no, I do not believe modern Chat bots are conscious, but they also do not pass a real Turing test)

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                    @uecker @rysiek Very true, the chinese room argument disregards the key concept of emergence.

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                    • sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blogS sharpcheddargoblin@reclusive.blog

                      @rysiek And this token regurgitation:
                      "That is possibly the most precisely formulated question anyone has ever asked about the nature of my existence"
                      is such a prime example of the sycophantic and seductive nature of LLM interaction. This is catnip for someone with the ego of Dawkins. Hook, line, sinker.

                      renardboy@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @sharpcheddargoblin @rysiek Him falling for that, and then including it in his piece as proof for all to see is so hilariously cringeworthy 🤣

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        Also, come on, his whole shtick was pointing out that being "convinced" about something is not the same as that something being true.

                        Funny how suddenly "convinced" is enough of a proof.

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                        @rysiek people may be convinced magic works until you show them how a trick was made

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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          RE: https://infosec.exchange/@paco/116504499864795870

                          Richard Dawkins, looking at a high-definition large-screen TV:

                          "If this is not a window, what more could it possibly take to convince you it is a window?"

                          #RichardDawkins #AI

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                          @rysiek

                          Answer: The view would change as I move to the left and right.

                          Objection: But the things in the view are too far away!

                          Answer: Things become visible and disappear along the left and right edges. Or not.

                          Example of such a "window," which is really just a television screen:
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcSjxdQZCss

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                          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                            RE: https://infosec.exchange/@paco/116504499864795870

                            Richard Dawkins, looking at a high-definition large-screen TV:

                            "If this is not a window, what more could it possibly take to convince you it is a window?"

                            #RichardDawkins #AI

                            mdc@mstdn.caM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @rysiek

                            To him, the brain is just an electro-chemical computer. If that can experience qualia then I guess he thinks a resonating pile of silicon can, too

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