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  3. By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

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  • tezoatlipoca@mas.toT tezoatlipoca@mas.to

    @kyu3a

    Apart from everyone else pointing out this is a search engine problem not a browser problem, in general I wouldn't want my browser to carte-blance remove or filter (or in any way "interpret" my chosen web content. Its different when a plugin does this, because adding the plugin to your browser is an opt-in affair; and ux wise, when a plugin filters or alters content there's a way to notice or find out what it is doing (some kind of "splat").

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    @kyu3a

    In addition, say Vivaldi had a "Filter Gemni Google 'Ai Overview'" feature. a) would Vivaldi be smart enough to filter it on a possibly proxied google search and NOT say in an article about Google Ai Overview somewhere else? b) everytime the Google search page front end changes (which I bet is seven times/day) your browser has to update and Vivaldi already pushes numerous changes/week, just saying (keep doing it tho.)

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    • cynical13@social.vivaldi.netC cynical13@social.vivaldi.net

      @solitha @Vivaldi

      Yes, I can.

      But if the company is making a stand against AI like this, should I *have* to?...

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      @cynical13 I was just making sure you were aware of your options there.

      I agree with your sentiment.

      @Vivaldi

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      • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

        By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

        Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

        We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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        @Vivaldi Thank you for keeping it "simple".

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        • cal@kind.socialC cal@kind.social

          @EricCarroll @Vivaldi We have no way of objectively knowing.

          Vivaldi repackages the free open-source Chromium project with their own proprietary blend of herbs and spices and doesn't let anyone see the exact changes they're making.

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          @Cal @EricCarroll @Vivaldi

          Their repackage of Chromium might be opaque, but at least they're upfront about their funding model: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/

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          • pl@cosocial.caP pl@cosocial.ca

            @cholling @Vivaldi @HunterZ I am suggesting that AI coding agents can help with the difficulty of creating and managing an independent engine, not that any AI features should be embedded in a browser

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            @pl @Vivaldi @HunterZ So slop code is fine but you draw the line at slop browsing?

            I'd be really curious to see the security and maintainability nightmare of a browser you could vibe up with your AI chatbox.

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            • cholling@bytes.programming.devC cholling@bytes.programming.dev

              @pl @Vivaldi @HunterZ So slop code is fine but you draw the line at slop browsing?

              I'd be really curious to see the security and maintainability nightmare of a browser you could vibe up with your AI chatbox.

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              @cholling @Vivaldi @HunterZ aren't you a delight to chat with. Unsubscribe please and thank you

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              • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                By now you've all probably heard about the latest shenanigans from Google and their love for in-browser AI features (if you don't, this is the story: https://www.theverge.com/tech/924933/google-chrome-4gb-gemini-nano-ai-features).

                Our team has been inspecting the Chromium code and disabling stuff from the very first version of Vivaldi (we have some posts about this in our blog, such as https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/alert-no-google-topics-in-vivaldi/ or https://vivaldi.com/blog/no-google-vivaldi-users-will-not-get-floced/).

                We've also been very outspoken about our dislike of the built-in AI trend in the browser industry, but in case there's still any doubts: yes, we disable all Gemini-related features, and we've been doing it for a while.

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                @Vivaldi At least firefox is up-front about and gives you the option to outright disable it all at will.
                The only one thing I keep enabled, is the website translation - that's it (doesn't rely on google).

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                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                  @lazza @Vivaldi Yes I do. And that does not help. Vivaldi or any respectable party should have absolutely no part in shipping/enabling this stuff.

                  If you want to install it, it should be a third-party extension provided by the slop provider, and subject to the same access controls all extensions are subject to.

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                  @dalias @lazza @Vivaldi

                  ☝️ ☝️ ☝️ This!!!!!

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