ugh.
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@simonzerafa @jerry I have the same question! How can we help?
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@WXQ4987 @simonzerafa I'm not sure yet. I need to figure out the overall change in costs given the number of servers I have, and figure out what I can replace with something smaller, then figure out what the funding gap (if any) will be. I'll do that this evening after work.
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ugh. hetzner just announced a pretty significant price increase. I'm going to have to start some serious downsizing before that happens
@jerry That is really terrible. I guess the "all important" data centers are busy consuming everything.
Well, perhaps they'll be able to use all that compute to sell ads to me in a more precise way. That seems important.
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I was thinking more about additional funding, over and above the regular contributions we make.
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ugh. hetzner just announced a pretty significant price increase. I'm going to have to start some serious downsizing before that happens
@jerry Is there any public info about this ?
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@jerry Is there any public info about this ?
@eingfoan They have a detailed page with the pricing changes here: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availability/price-adjustment/
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@jerry I foresee a 25% to 50% price increase in the next 2 years for everything requiring hardware, including servers, cloud but also laptops and phones. This will have a *huge* impact.
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@briankrebs @renchap I can objectively say that AI scrapers are a massive problem for me and a drain on resources. Everyone and their dog is trying to scrape the internet continuously with badly designed/vibe coded crawlers that don’t seem to keep track of what they’ve already crawled, let alone the context of what they are attempting to crawl or honoring robots.txt etc
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@jerry Be ready for all providers to announce some in the coming weeks, the hardware world is on fire right now thanks to OpenAI and their shenanigans to kill their competitors (and the AI bubble overall).
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@renchap problem is like you said, storage is basically nvne today, which is also made by the same machines.
Same with GPU, which also has ram on board. And recently China also has a high demand on cpus. So overall, CPU, GPU, Ram and storage prices increased. These are all essential components. Maybe GPU in a lesser degree on servers that only host websites. So as long as the Ai bubble doesn't burst, I predict more like a 100% to 200% price increase for a total machine.
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@briankrebs @renchap I can objectively say that AI scrapers are a massive problem for me and a drain on resources. Everyone and their dog is trying to scrape the internet continuously with badly designed/vibe coded crawlers that don’t seem to keep track of what they’ve already crawled, let alone the context of what they are attempting to crawl or honoring robots.txt etc
@jerry @briankrebs @renchap Can confirm. They essentially DDoS'd our old website due to how Wordpress handles active lookups with all the effing PHP. Moved to Webflow and our compute dropped way down, partly due to the difference in rendering.
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@jerry @briankrebs @renchap Can confirm. They essentially DDoS'd our old website due to how Wordpress handles active lookups with all the effing PHP. Moved to Webflow and our compute dropped way down, partly due to the difference in rendering.
@neurovagrant @jerry @briankrebs @renchap
@hrbrmstr knows a lot about this.
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@briankrebs @renchap I can objectively say that AI scrapers are a massive problem for me and a drain on resources. Everyone and their dog is trying to scrape the internet continuously with badly designed/vibe coded crawlers that don’t seem to keep track of what they’ve already crawled, let alone the context of what they are attempting to crawl or honoring robots.txt etc
@jerry Maybe you already know this, but I heard Iocaine is pretty good blocking scrapers.
https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/
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ugh. hetzner just announced a pretty significant price increase. I'm going to have to start some serious downsizing before that happens
@jerry Good luck.
I just replaced my old desktop with a new unit. Little mini HP PC. Bought w/ minimal RAM/disk, then bought new RAM separately. The RAM cost 1/2 the price of PC. About $230 for 2 @ 16 GB DDR4 SODIMMs.
Thanks, "AI."
I'm also trying my best to self-host what I can, because 99.9% of what I want to run is just for me/my wife, and I can absolutely get away with it on my limited hardware.
This is truly the worst timeline.
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@eingfoan They have a detailed page with the pricing changes here: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availability/price-adjustment/
@jerry @eingfoan Phew, looks like StorageShare is not affected at the moment. #NextCloud
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@jerry @eingfoan Phew, looks like StorageShare is not affected at the moment. #NextCloud
@haraldkliems @eingfoan Hetzner didn't appear to be affected until 8 hours ago. Hopefully it stays that way for you
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@briankrebs @renchap I can objectively say that AI scrapers are a massive problem for me and a drain on resources. Everyone and their dog is trying to scrape the internet continuously with badly designed/vibe coded crawlers that don’t seem to keep track of what they’ve already crawled, let alone the context of what they are attempting to crawl or honoring robots.txt etc
@jerry @briankrebs @renchap Can confirm: I'm being hit with ~4 requests per second with spikes up to 50 per second lasting hours to days.
It doesn't effect my site (although I still started sending them randomly generated nonsense text), I've seen plenty of great sites get DDoSed off the Internet.
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@renchap I don't blame Hetzner, and I know they aren't the only ones. It's going to soon impact just about everything else we do online, I am guessing.
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@jerry I foresee a 25% to 50% price increase in the next 2 years for everything requiring hardware, including servers, cloud but also laptops and phones. This will have a *huge* impact.
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ugh. hetzner just announced a pretty significant price increase. I'm going to have to start some serious downsizing before that happens
@jerry They didn’t pay more for the RAM you are using. Once there is a reason people accept for price raises, it will be used “ad infinitum”.
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