Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[ryanprior@mastodon.social]

@lumi @grote wait, this sounds really good though. Blocks in place for bad actors, super impossible to do by accident, but ultimately still full freedom to install anything you want, with a convenient way to revert to a more restricted install mode after a week passes.

This is _inconvenient_ for sure, but it seems designed to be asymmetrically more inconvenient for threat actors than for legit users. And we need serious meaningful friction to thwart scammers, domestic abusers, and them

[syn@plasmatrap.com]

@grote@chaos.social maybe bro should build an advanced flow for keeping the microphone a consistent distance from his mouth

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote I'm sorry, I don't understand this post in that context.

[woosh@social.linux.pizza]

@grote It feels reasonable to me. I haven't realized the scale of the scamming problem they are dealing with. Perhaps we, as power users, underestimate this problem but I bet Google has some good amount of data on that.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote you don't need to "install" graphene os on the motorola partner.

the motorola graphene edition will already have graphene in it when buying it.

so people who want installing app but don't want to flash their device will naturally buy motorola

[_davd@mastodon.social]

@grote Well that's stupid

[hellomiakoda@pdx.social]

@lumi @grote This is why I put up with constant issues to carry a Linux phone.
Microsoft and Google are the best at convincing me to be patient with #Linux.

[azurearmageddon@mastodon.online]

@grote They should be jailed together with the scammers for doing this...

Meanwhile malware still being hawked on the play store...

Linux phones growing to be an ever more urgent project.

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote Yeah, and they very possibly won't have any other option. Like I said, the dev is pretty... stubborn about things...

But it won't be in stores most likely. You'll have to buy them online. Which means people will have to know of them first. And you know service providers aren't going to go out of their way to tell anyone.

And, like I said, it's going to be a very very limited set of options and probably quite costly. (The dev seems to have no problem expecting us to pay a lot.) That's if going commercial doesn't further ruin it all...

Not saying it's a bad thing, just that we can't count on this to open things up.

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@nazokiyoubinbou

Apparently this is how you unlock the boot loader on a phone in order to install a different OS:

How to unlock the bootloader of an Android Phone

Unlocking the Bootloader allows you to install custom firmware on your Android phone and gives you full access privileges to make modifications to...

iFixit (www.ifixit.com)

And I thought having to turn off UEFI Secure Boot was offensive. Yikes! That's an awful lot of hoops to jump through, can't be done without first agreeing to the stock OS terms and conditions (my inner Stallman is very upset with that), and it requires a whole separate computer to do it with!

@FifiSch @grote

[epic_null@infosec.exchange]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Consider the failure state. If a user fails to set up installing outside programs, they can still use their phone and make calls. If a user fails to install a new OS, they have no phone until they succeed.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote sadly we don't have any other credible alternative.

bank and country already have great difficulty accepting the very hardened graphene os.

so don't expect linux phone or lineage to be allowed anytime soon

[snejpro@digitalcourage.social]

@woosh @grote

Yeah, the only problem i have with this approach: when I get a new phone I have to wait 24h until I can install my apps.

[harisont@mstdn.social]

@grote "sideloading", "power user"... all expressions that deliberately make it sound like installing a program of your choice on your computing device is this strange thing that hackers do

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@argv_minus_one @FifiSch @grote Well, they made it more complicated than it seems. Running adb reboot bootloader is the fastest, most universal way to get to the bootloader, but every phone has a button combo you can use while turning it on. LineageOS instructions usually just tell you to do that I think.

The instructions do also make it sound more complicated than it actually is. When you get down to it, it really is "tap a few things, then copy and paste a couple of commands."

[roughnecks@mastodon.social]

@grote

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[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote That's the assumption, yes.

Two things.

First, you can just flash again if you for some reason did something stupid like yanking out the cord while it was transferring.

Second, modern Android devices usually use two separate partitions. When you flash it goes to whichever it's not currently using. So if you render it broken and for some reason can't flash again, you can still just boot the first.

Again, people have let themselves be convinced to be scared of things rather than trying them.

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote I mean, when I said "we need something open" I didn't mean I expected it to happen. I only mean that it's what we need.

I need about three medical operations. Not going to happen. Because this is the kind of society we live in. Money rules all.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote just hope EU DSA wake up and make a stop to that in EU at minimum, could like GDPR trigger other block to do the same.

[pelle@mastodon.ie]

I wonder if by doing this you set out a flag that could trigger security alarms or block access to bank apps and DRM apps as Netflix, the same way as having the phone rooted or with a custom ROM