Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[pelle@mastodon.ie]

I wonder if by doing this you set out a flag that could trigger security alarms or block access to bank apps and DRM apps as Netflix, the same way as having the phone rooted or with a custom ROM

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote Yes, that sort of thing would be great.

But... seeing age gate stuff still happening despite being a violation of the GDPR, I wonder even for stuff like that these days. *Sigh*

[elrohir@mastodon.gal]

@grote It would be very important to find out if banks and other critical apps will have the liberty to block users who have changed this setting, too.

It would be one thing to go through this whole ordeal once forever. And it would be another thing to do all of this, install my desired app, and then disable it again to get my bank app working on the daily, and then rinse and repeat for every new install I want to make a few weeks later.

[kdude@mastodon.social]

@grote @thornbill …for now, until they dictate some new hoops to jump through

[calcprogrammer1@mastodon.social]

@grote 24 hours of not owning my phone is evil. This is stupid. I'm fine with everything but the pointless 24 hour wait and the biometric requirement. Give us your personally identifiable information and wait in phone purgatory for 24 hours to actually be able to own your device? Ridiculous.

[tedmielczarek@mastodon.social]

@tehstu @grote bold of you to assume that multibillion-dollar companies play by the same rules as average developers. If Apple locked down macOS installation to the App Store Google would just call them up and negotiate an exception (if Apple didn't just build one in from the outset).

[razemix@mamutovo.cz]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote First problem: The user needs to know what an OS even is and that they're using one.
Second problem: The user needs to realize that they can use a different OS.
Third problem: The user needs to know the exact model/codename of their phone, find a suitable OS, unlock bootloader, probably install adb and/or other tools (if there is no WebUSB option), etc.

Should I continue?

[windofchange@mastodon.online]

@grote burn Google, burn Android. They are no longer useful to a human race.

[gorgon_zola@digitalcourage.social]

@grote 🤮🤮🤮 Fuck #Google!
#digitalsovereignty

[itsfriday@toot.community]

@Kdude @grote @thornbill Jep, it will change. We can bet on how long it will take until the new normal gets worse.

[itsfriday@toot.community]

@CalcProgrammer1 @grote The 24h waiting sounds the most reasonable part to me...

[ryanprior@mastodon.social]

@lumi I agree with a lot of what you wrote but would differ on some things, are you interested in back-and-forth here?

[tedmielczarek@mastodon.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote as a person who has had to flash custom Android firmware in the past for work let me say: that is never going to be something that non-technical users do. There might be a market for selling refurbished devices with LineageOS preinstalled to provide an alternative, though.

[epic_null@infosec.exchange]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote

you can just flash again

Look that is comforting to someone who knows they can flash their phone. For someone who is doing it for the first time with exactly one device, that's essentially saying "If you find you do not have what it takes to do this, you can just do the thing you found you could not do to fix the mess you made!"

That is NOT going to be comforting to those who need that comfort.

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@nazokiyoubinbou

I dislike the new ARM Macs for the same reason, by the way: to install an OS from scratch, you need to feed it one over USB from *another* ARM Mac, which must be running macOS if I'm not mistaken.

If I can't recover from a bricked OS with nothing but a storage device containing an OS installer, then it's not a real computer and it doesn't deserve my hard-earned money.

@FifiSch @grote

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@Razemix @FifiSch @grote

The user needs to know what an OS even is and that they're using one.

No... Not really. "Install LineageOS" or whatever is all they need to know.

The user needs to realize that they can use a different OS.

That's the second part of the first problem repeated. Again when people say "just install LineageOS" they know they need to install a different thing.

Third problem

Oh we do agree on parts of that and that is a huge part of what I'm saying is NOT ok in this ecosystem. It's not to the extent that you say of course, but it still applies a lot.

I get it. You're terrified of something different and really really don't even want it to be a thing. But that doesn't mean it's ok to be 100% behind letting Google and Apple do this.

[calcprogrammer1@mastodon.social]

@itsFriday @grote How so? It's the one that's getting in your way the most. Want to use this app today? Screw you. Why do we cater to idiots getting scammed more than letting people own the devices we bought with our own money?

[utf_7@mastodon.social]

@kevinrns @grote to what?

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@tedmielczarek @FifiSch @grote That's a strong declaration without a whole lot of backing...

We'll just have to agree to disagree there.

I'm not saying that they're likely to do it. As I said, people have been systematically convinced not to even look into it. But I don't agree with a blanket statement that no one will ever do it either. Especially if they get pushed hard enough.

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote What?

I'm saying if you for some reason yanked out the cable or something and broke the initial flash you can press up and press enter then this time not yank out the cable.