For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me.
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Its very far removed from being a "BSD". Yes it shares some common history, components, and libraries. It doesn't feel as cohesive or friendly as any of the other BSD's.
I've had a macbook with OSX/etc since ~2001 and at first they definitely filled the niche that Linux didn't which was a nice UNIX'y laptop with working hibernate, wireless, and cd writing capabilities. Its gone downhill over the years with constant changes in look, feel, and underlying system. It doesn't feel like "its gotten more polished over time". Every release feels disjointed.
As far as certification goes..
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Its very far removed from being a "BSD". Yes it shares some common history, components, and libraries. It doesn't feel as cohesive or friendly as any of the other BSD's.
I've had a macbook with OSX/etc since ~2001 and at first they definitely filled the niche that Linux didn't which was a nice UNIX'y laptop with working hibernate, wireless, and cd writing capabilities. Its gone downhill over the years with constant changes in look, feel, and underlying system. It doesn't feel like "its gotten more polished over time". Every release feels disjointed.
As far as certification goes..
@miah I’ve used Macs since high school, often exclusively. I love the Mac. But it is also true that the design and usability has gone downhill.
This “UNIX certification is a lie” post has real No True Scotsman toxic Linux culture vibes to me, but it is also true that MacOS today is a far cry from the much more UNIX-y OS 10.1 days. I think the conclusion is probably correct: MacOS is still UNIX certified because someone somewhere in the company still cares, even if no one else does.
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@miah I’ve used Macs since high school, often exclusively. I love the Mac. But it is also true that the design and usability has gone downhill.
This “UNIX certification is a lie” post has real No True Scotsman toxic Linux culture vibes to me, but it is also true that MacOS today is a far cry from the much more UNIX-y OS 10.1 days. I think the conclusion is probably correct: MacOS is still UNIX certified because someone somewhere in the company still cares, even if no one else does.
@glassblowerscat @darth Ya I'd agree with that assessment.
I wouldn't say I love the mac these days. It feels very locked in and not very 'hacker friendly'. I _rarely_ modify / manage macos via some cli interfaces / etc files etc. Its possible I could do this, but the way the system is designed it doesn't feel like "the way". It just doesn't feel like its "for me" in any way these days, other than "I can create a terminal window and launch ssh to the system I actually do development on".
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I personally don't believe that Linux will be a safe alternative in the near future at the rate the community has been getting politicized. *BSD has and likely will be a fallback for me in the worst case scenario.
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@darth From the way you have phrased this, I take it you are truly bothered that someone could hypothetically use BSD on 1,000 servers but are hypocrites for not using BSD on the system they manage them from?
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@darth Workstation is FreeBSD. I read most of the email I get via mutt on OpenBSD, on a rpi4b
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Great question. My daily driver is my work-provided machine, which runs macOS.
My "personal" daily driver is a ThinkPad with FreeBSD, and a writing machine with NetBSD.
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@darth OpenBSD on my main notebook
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@darth The fact that the #opensource #BSD desktop is somehow less far along than the #Linux is one of the observations in my post about #genai is killing copyleft: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2026/04/08/ai-code-is-hollowing-out-open-source-and-maintainers-are-looking-the-other-way.html
Some of the BSD enthusiasts may enjoy the post, even if they prefer permissive licenses.
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@darth In my constellation of systems, NetBSD is overwhelmingly predominate.
There is one Linux machine, purely because of audio driver support; currently Debian but I'm looking into ditching that in favor of bare metal Alpine.
There's also a Solaris machine that's critical. Actual real Solaris, properly licensed under the fan license Sun created, that Oracle promptly shut down.
Also OpenBSD on a firewall. Out of habit at the time it was deployed. NetBSD's npf has caught up; I'll be installing Net soon. -
@darth FreeBSD is my daily driver on the desktop for over 15 years.
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@darth I daily drive FreeBSD-15.0-RELEASE-amd64 on my T430. I currently play Battlefield Vietnam on it
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@darth FreeBSD is my primary OS
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@darth OpenBSD is my primary OS. With shockingly little pain doing so.
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#openbsd on laptop and servers (no desktop)
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@darth Main browsing box is FreeBSD. Main workstation is trying to move to FreeBSD.
For gaming, I'm going to have to use Linux or Windows in a VM with GPU passthrough, FreeBSD is not up to snuff/far too much hassle.
The BSD I most prefer is OpenBSD, but that's generally more suitable for firewalls. Using it as a desktop involves too much pain, so FreeBSD is a compromise.
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@darth FreeBSD was my server distro, but has been my daily driver for the past week.
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@darth OpenBSD daily driver
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My main workstation mostly runs FreeBSD 14.3-RELEASE. That's what I use for most of my work on Valgrind. I mainly use
Qt Creator for my IDE.
Firefox and Thunderbird. They work fine on FreeBSD.
VirtualBox
konsole and ssh
toolchain stuff (mostly LLVM toolchain but also GNU toolchain a bit)
gdb (and lldb a bit)
git, gitk, meldI need access to a as many systems as possible (ideally the OS running on real hardware, VMs when necessary).
I also have a laptop and RPi 4b both running FreeBSD 15.0-RELEASE, an old workstation running OpenIndiana Hipster 2025.10, a mac mini M4 running macOS 26.4 and and old MacBook Pro Intel running macOS 13.6.
I've been using FeeeBSD on and off since 2.1 in 1997 (mostly off to start with, for a long time Solaris was my main OS).
Two things put me off Linux. Firstly the toxic arrogance of the technical leaders. Torvalds sets a terrible example as a leader, not having an ounce of decency or humility. I'm not saying that the BSD world isn't free of a*seholes.
The other thing is the lack of stability. The Linux distros that I've used the most at home are OpenSuSE and Fedora. OpenSUSE is OK, occasional problems a bit like FreeBSD. Fedora is simply junk in my anecdotal experience. I've had way more kernel panics (100x or more) from Fedora than everything else put together, despite the fact that I only use it for a tiny fraction of the amount that I use FreeBSD/macOS/illumos. If the kernel doesn't panic then there is a high probability that you will get a black screen or window manager crashes because the NVIDIA drivers are almost permanently broken.
Linux in the corporate world seems better. At work it's Windows 11 and RH/CeontOS/Rocky via NoMachine. I have had more kernel panics than with other OSes but it is acceptably rare.
