I DO have a "real" engineering degree and I wholeheartedly agree.
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RE: https://toot.cat/@zkat/116143291632287948
I DO have a "real" engineering degree and I wholeheartedly agree.
Ethics is supposed to guide what we create. I want responsible development, not this LLM-assisted "move fast, break things, don't care" mentality that's being pushed by corporate greed.
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RE: https://toot.cat/@zkat/116143291632287948
I DO have a "real" engineering degree and I wholeheartedly agree.
Ethics is supposed to guide what we create. I want responsible development, not this LLM-assisted "move fast, break things, don't care" mentality that's being pushed by corporate greed.
@scarpentier I am a software developer, and I bristle when people call me a software engineer, because I know engineers have a higher standard, especially here in Canada where engineers get their iron rings as symbols of those higher standards. I do not have the ring.
I do hold high standards for myself, but they are not 'official' standards, because that is not my training.
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RE: https://toot.cat/@zkat/116143291632287948
I DO have a "real" engineering degree and I wholeheartedly agree.
Ethics is supposed to guide what we create. I want responsible development, not this LLM-assisted "move fast, break things, don't care" mentality that's being pushed by corporate greed.
@scarpentier I am an artist with an art degree, and once sat in on an engineering class and took notes because I lost a bet.
And that one class was enough for me to never disrespect engineers ever. It's a shame most people have no perspective on how complex and essential engineers are.
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@scarpentier I am a software developer, and I bristle when people call me a software engineer, because I know engineers have a higher standard, especially here in Canada where engineers get their iron rings as symbols of those higher standards. I do not have the ring.
I do hold high standards for myself, but they are not 'official' standards, because that is not my training.
@hewer_of_code Importance of quality is drilled into us throughout the entire degree (and it's part of the pledge we do at the end), but not every engineer truly values it. I’ve come across some pretty bad ones, and I’ve also met some genuinely great software developers (like you) who really care about their craft, and it usually shows in their work.
I thank you for your human-made, quality code contributions
You can have this honorary ring: ◯
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@hewer_of_code Importance of quality is drilled into us throughout the entire degree (and it's part of the pledge we do at the end), but not every engineer truly values it. I’ve come across some pretty bad ones, and I’ve also met some genuinely great software developers (like you) who really care about their craft, and it usually shows in their work.
I thank you for your human-made, quality code contributions
You can have this honorary ring: ◯
@hewer_of_code I think it also helps that "usual" engineering fields are heavily regulated (construction, public infrastructure, chemical, mechanical, electric, etc.). You can't really "fuck around and find out" with those.
Software is way more abstract and is hard for our politicians to grasp but I think it's as important not to fuck up with software otherwise you get... well... the situation we're in right now.
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@scarpentier I am an artist with an art degree, and once sat in on an engineering class and took notes because I lost a bet.
And that one class was enough for me to never disrespect engineers ever. It's a shame most people have no perspective on how complex and essential engineers are.
@FlashMobOfOne I finished my degree a long time ago and there are some courses I never got the chance to use in my work (ex: all engineers have 3-4 physics courses regardless of their field of study).
Looking at my notes now and I can't believe that's my writing. It looks like I'm writing in runes and I have no clue what's going on!
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@hewer_of_code I think it also helps that "usual" engineering fields are heavily regulated (construction, public infrastructure, chemical, mechanical, electric, etc.). You can't really "fuck around and find out" with those.
Software is way more abstract and is hard for our politicians to grasp but I think it's as important not to fuck up with software otherwise you get... well... the situation we're in right now.
@scarpentier Something else about software is that it's usually pretty easy to undo changes if the "found out" part is bad.
Infrastructural things can change too, but the time scale is much longer, so it's more important to get it right the first time.
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@scarpentier Something else about software is that it's usually pretty easy to undo changes if the "found out" part is bad.
Infrastructural things can change too, but the time scale is much longer, so it's more important to get it right the first time.
@hewer_of_code Sure it's easy to revert changes in code; but I'm more worried how code is used or if it should be written in the first place.
I would code a hammer, but I wouldn't code a gun.
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RE: https://toot.cat/@zkat/116143291632287948
I DO have a "real" engineering degree and I wholeheartedly agree.
Ethics is supposed to guide what we create. I want responsible development, not this LLM-assisted "move fast, break things, don't care" mentality that's being pushed by corporate greed.
To me, a layman, the term software engineer implies the type of software development required to run nuclear power stations or traffic networks or the electrical grid, the type of infrastructure where the software requires the same engineering ethics as building bridges and other physical infrastructure.
