When all of this is “over”, it's not going to be good enough to say “We shouldn't have let that happen.
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When all of this is “over”, it's not going to be good enough to say “We shouldn't have let that happen. It'll be better now.” That's just lying to yourselves and everyone else for 4 years.
The only acceptable outcome from a world power who has gone this far off the rails is “we've made it so that it *can’t* happen again.”
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When all of this is “over”, it's not going to be good enough to say “We shouldn't have let that happen. It'll be better now.” That's just lying to yourselves and everyone else for 4 years.
The only acceptable outcome from a world power who has gone this far off the rails is “we've made it so that it *can’t* happen again.”
@sean "some day everyone will have always been against this"
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When all of this is “over”, it's not going to be good enough to say “We shouldn't have let that happen. It'll be better now.” That's just lying to yourselves and everyone else for 4 years.
The only acceptable outcome from a world power who has gone this far off the rails is “we've made it so that it *can’t* happen again.”
@sean That's what everyone thought after WWII and well, you already stated what's happening...
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@sean That's what everyone thought after WWII and well, you already stated what's happening...
@jrf_nl I think it's pretty hard to reach ~80 years into the future. I'd be pretty happy if we could collectively come up with the will to at least expect it to stick.
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@jrf_nl I think it's pretty hard to reach ~80 years into the future. I'd be pretty happy if we could collectively come up with the will to at least expect it to stick.
@sean @jrf_nl Some of that is because *we* were the world power who made all that happen in the wake of WWII, while also quietly excusing ourselves from the requirements. Like we have a permanent position on the UN Security Council and can unilaterally veto any decisions. We also chose not to be party to the ICJ, among other things (it’s arguably against our Constitution to recognize the ICJ, but we can always change the Constitution).
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@sean @jrf_nl Some of that is because *we* were the world power who made all that happen in the wake of WWII, while also quietly excusing ourselves from the requirements. Like we have a permanent position on the UN Security Council and can unilaterally veto any decisions. We also chose not to be party to the ICJ, among other things (it’s arguably against our Constitution to recognize the ICJ, but we can always change the Constitution).
@ramsey @sean If you do, please also get rid of the "Invasion law".
The US has (in law only) been at war with The Netherlands since 2002....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
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@ramsey @sean If you do, please also get rid of the "Invasion law".
The US has (in law only) been at war with The Netherlands since 2002....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
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@sean @jrf_nl Some of that is because *we* were the world power who made all that happen in the wake of WWII, while also quietly excusing ourselves from the requirements. Like we have a permanent position on the UN Security Council and can unilaterally veto any decisions. We also chose not to be party to the ICJ, among other things (it’s arguably against our Constitution to recognize the ICJ, but we can always change the Constitution).
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When all of this is “over”, it's not going to be good enough to say “We shouldn't have let that happen. It'll be better now.” That's just lying to yourselves and everyone else for 4 years.
The only acceptable outcome from a world power who has gone this far off the rails is “we've made it so that it *can’t* happen again.”
@sean https://youtu.be/f5r9Qepsi9E?t=1294
Robert Evans' take really resonated with me.
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@sean That's what everyone thought after WWII and well, you already stated what's happening...
@jrf_nl @sean Catching up on my WWI and WWII history, I was amazed to learn how poorly the fallout of WWI was handled. How soon after WWI the DAP (which later became Hitler's NSDAP) was formed, how quickly antisemitism, German nationalism exploded... All directly resulting in an unavoidable WWII... When this is "over", there needs to be a clear sign "we will never stand for this again", there need to be consequences, there needs to be punishment.
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