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  3. it’s very easy to dunk on liquid glass for looking like shit and being inaccessible trash but now that I’ve been forced onto a new version of iOS and have first-hand experience with it, I feel it’s important to tell the truth:

it’s very easy to dunk on liquid glass for looking like shit and being inaccessible trash but now that I’ve been forced onto a new version of iOS and have first-hand experience with it, I feel it’s important to tell the truth:

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  • zzt@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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    it’s very easy to dunk on liquid glass for looking like shit and being inaccessible trash but now that I’ve been forced onto a new version of iOS and have first-hand experience with it, I feel it’s important to tell the truth:

    it works like absolute shit too. who the fuck’s idea was it to make notifications work like this? who fucking sat there and decided what I wanted from the keyboard was for someone to fuck with its layout for no apparent reason?

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    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

      it’s very easy to dunk on liquid glass for looking like shit and being inaccessible trash but now that I’ve been forced onto a new version of iOS and have first-hand experience with it, I feel it’s important to tell the truth:

      it works like absolute shit too. who the fuck’s idea was it to make notifications work like this? who fucking sat there and decided what I wanted from the keyboard was for someone to fuck with its layout for no apparent reason?

      zzt@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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      not since the 90s have I interacted with a system UI whose animations were apparently designed to be as distracting as possible. I just looked at a masto notification and wondered why it had a weird tattoo (it was the UI of my active app showing through in bright blue, and I’ve got liquid glass on the “tinted” setting)

      all my icons are fucking ugly now but the updated ones are worse. the calendar widget is a weird blob now. everything on my widget page is a weird blob.

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      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

        not since the 90s have I interacted with a system UI whose animations were apparently designed to be as distracting as possible. I just looked at a masto notification and wondered why it had a weird tattoo (it was the UI of my active app showing through in bright blue, and I’ve got liquid glass on the “tinted” setting)

        all my icons are fucking ugly now but the updated ones are worse. the calendar widget is a weird blob now. everything on my widget page is a weird blob.

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        I’d ask who the fuck did this but we know who, and that entire team left Apple for Facebook right after the public backlash against liquid glass started

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        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

          I’d ask who the fuck did this but we know who, and that entire team left Apple for Facebook right after the public backlash against liquid glass started

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          what in the fuck did they do to the calendar, in general

          who in the fuck is this for

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          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

            what in the fuck did they do to the calendar, in general

            who in the fuck is this for

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            holy fucking shit they made the CarPlay UI’s buttons smaller and made the daytime theme a set of colors that maximizes reflections and glare

            I’d ask who decided this but “our users want smaller controls, more buttons, somehow also more whitespace, and less visibility for their driving interface” is a thoroughly LLM-brained decision

            so who prompted ChatGPT and followed its instructions? I just want to talk (I’m going to run you over with my fucking car)

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            • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

              holy fucking shit they made the CarPlay UI’s buttons smaller and made the daytime theme a set of colors that maximizes reflections and glare

              I’d ask who decided this but “our users want smaller controls, more buttons, somehow also more whitespace, and less visibility for their driving interface” is a thoroughly LLM-brained decision

              so who prompted ChatGPT and followed its instructions? I just want to talk (I’m going to run you over with my fucking car)

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              here I am severely disliking Apple’s UI for being materially the worst modern UI I’ve ever personally used (none of my computers run windows 11 and none of them ever will) and also disliking the macbook neo for being, by the numbers, a bad deal for everyone except Apple

              maybe we can stop rewarding this company that’s doing a shit job of everything but increasing their share price with lipservice and thonkpieces about how the neo is great actually?

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              • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                here I am severely disliking Apple’s UI for being materially the worst modern UI I’ve ever personally used (none of my computers run windows 11 and none of them ever will) and also disliking the macbook neo for being, by the numbers, a bad deal for everyone except Apple

                maybe we can stop rewarding this company that’s doing a shit job of everything but increasing their share price with lipservice and thonkpieces about how the neo is great actually?

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                (I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)

                maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?

                and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.

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                • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                  (I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)

                  maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?

                  and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.

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                  nah I must just be a hater

                  all I see when I look at this dreadful fucking UI is the big boy trophy they gave that fucker when they capitulated

                  and you want me to clap when they do things that increase their share price

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                  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                    (I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)

                    maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?

                    and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.

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                    @zzt yes they'll fucking hate you for buying used but they'll also cut support for it so soon you'll regret it.

                    just get a fucking linux laptop, it'll be easier.

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                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                      (I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)

                      maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?

                      and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.

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                      @zzt I repaired my old Macbook Pro just because SSD prices were going up.

                      Neo may hit a sweet spot for people, unfortunately. I think the way to really punish Apple is to leave the plantation with what you've got.

                      You need (or want) iMovie? Keep using it on that old hardware.

                      Upgrading just puts you back on the never ending treadmill.

                      You need to get off.

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                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                        (I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)

                        maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?

                        and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.

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                        @zzt I liked The Verge's comparison: right now a MacBook Air M5 has as much punch as a MacBook Pro M1 Pro at the moment. So if a MacBook Pro M1/M2 Pro catches your eye, $700 used may be tempting. Yes, there is a shot that they'll leave Apple's OS Upgrade soon, but even then if you get one today, it likely has another 4 years of security updates before it is fully put to pasture.

                        So if you see a used MacBook Pro from any year back than the current (14" and 16" sold from 2021 forward) remember: every dollar of it isn't going back to Apple, that is unless you buy their refurbs or an authorized suppliers.

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                        • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

                          @zzt yes they'll fucking hate you for buying used but they'll also cut support for it so soon you'll regret it.

                          just get a fucking linux laptop, it'll be easier.

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                          @dysfun @zzt They actually won't hate if you buy used because it weds you to the platform if you are the kind of person who actually upgrades.

                          The key is to get off the upgrade treadmill.

                          If you treat it like an iPod that you just *use*? Yeah, then you'll see articles like these: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.html

                          Be that person.

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                          • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                            @dysfun @zzt They actually won't hate if you buy used because it weds you to the platform if you are the kind of person who actually upgrades.

                            The key is to get off the upgrade treadmill.

                            If you treat it like an iPod that you just *use*? Yeah, then you'll see articles like these: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/23/how-device-hoarding-by-americans-is-costing-economy.html

                            Be that person.

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                            @yoasif @zzt you can't really do that with apple laptops. believe me - i'm doing exactly that.

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                            • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

                              @yoasif @zzt you can't really do that with apple laptops. believe me - i'm doing exactly that.

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                              @dysfun @zzt Kinda confused about why.

                              I'm never upgrading to Big Sur on my machine. I just use it to run productivity apps.

                              It will be a fossil, and I'm fine with that.

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                                @dysfun @zzt Kinda confused about why.

                                I'm never upgrading to Big Sur on my machine. I just use it to run productivity apps.

                                It will be a fossil, and I'm fine with that.

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                                @yoasif @zzt i guess your needs are less demanding than mine. i'm still on mojave and about all it's good for is firefox and vlc, and frankly firefox isn't that good on it.

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                                • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @yoasif @zzt i guess your needs are less demanding than mine. i'm still on mojave and about all it's good for is firefox and vlc, and frankly firefox isn't that good on it.

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                                  @dysfun @zzt I wouldn't say to use it as your primary machine, since you can't fossilize that. That's how the get you on the upgrade treadmill.

                                  It has to be a secondary machine that you use only for the apps you were using.

                                  New needs go onto the "Linux" machine (with AI, who knows).

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                                    @dysfun @zzt I wouldn't say to use it as your primary machine, since you can't fossilize that. That's how the get you on the upgrade treadmill.

                                    It has to be a secondary machine that you use only for the apps you were using.

                                    New needs go onto the "Linux" machine (with AI, who knows).

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                                    @yoasif @zzt yes, i'm talking to you from my linux desktop. i only really use the mac for watching videos now

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                                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                      (I submitted the previous post too early because of liquid glass jank!)

                                      maybe when we see a company like Apple capitulate to fascists in front of our own eyes and fuck up on security (the exploit kit that pushed me onto liquid glass) we shouldn’t reward any of that?

                                      and like, you can punish Apple without leaving their ecosystem if you must stay. I get it. buy a used device. they’ll fucking hate if you buy a used macbook and it’s better and cheaper than the neo.

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                                      @zzt what if I wait a few years and buy a used neo

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                                      • dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD dysfun@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @yoasif @zzt yes, i'm talking to you from my linux desktop. i only really use the mac for watching videos now

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                                        @dysfun @zzt So why can't you do it?

                                        The mistake was trying to run Firefox on it.

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                                        • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                                          @dysfun @zzt So why can't you do it?

                                          The mistake was trying to run Firefox on it.

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                                          @yoasif @zzt that's my point, literally watching videos is about all it's good for any more.

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