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  3. At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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    At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

    Oh you can tell your bot to dim the lights via WhatsApp chat? Welcome to 2015!

    dalias@hachyderm.ioD hagen@mastodon.socialH sebastianlaube@layer8.spaceS skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS research_ftw@sciences.socialR 5 Replies Last reply
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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

      Oh you can tell your bot to dim the lights via WhatsApp chat? Welcome to 2015!

      dalias@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @tante They want it to feel like a personal secretary who can't say no, not like a CLI. That's the whole appeal to them.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

        Oh you can tell your bot to dim the lights via WhatsApp chat? Welcome to 2015!

        hagen@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @tante that’s one part i also fundamentally not get. even if you want to use llms (which i argue you shouldn’t) – just ask them to write the home assistant yaml files or something similar. it’s by no means great but at least you only have to get it working once and then it won’t change. why roll the dice over and over again?

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          @tante that’s one part i also fundamentally not get. even if you want to use llms (which i argue you shouldn’t) – just ask them to write the home assistant yaml files or something similar. it’s by no means great but at least you only have to get it working once and then it won’t change. why roll the dice over and over again?

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          @hagen the hope is to have a general personal assistant that simply does all the stuff you tell them, without first figuring out what other software you need to run it and a good place to integrate something somewhere

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            @hagen the hope is to have a general personal assistant that simply does all the stuff you tell them, without first figuring out what other software you need to run it and a good place to integrate something somewhere

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            @fh0 sure but that’s not even how actual personal assistants work.

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              @fh0 sure but that’s not even how actual personal assistants work.

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              @hagen I don't think that matters, it's the reason why people use it instead of integrating it in homeassistant (your original question)

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

                Oh you can tell your bot to dim the lights via WhatsApp chat? Welcome to 2015!

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                @tante The interesting thing about your observation is convinience.

                You don't have to buy a device that you have to assemble, setup with absolutely unfamiliar software and configure all the things your self.

                Now they set up one or two user accounts and will be guided quite comfortably through the setup.

                This reveals the weakness FOSS always had: the lack of user experience.

                I don't like these agents, but I wish we get motivated by this to do better UX in FOSS.

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

                  Oh you can tell your bot to dim the lights via WhatsApp chat? Welcome to 2015!

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                  @tante

                  We used to just call it "automation."

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    At least 70% of things I read about people doing with "AI" assistants like "Open Claw" are basically things people have been doing with deterministic, secure tools like Home Assistant for years.

                    Oh you can tell your bot to dim the lights via WhatsApp chat? Welcome to 2015!

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                    @tante "How can we do this thing we could do already with way more compute so we can prop up the failing fossil fuel industry"

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