I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm I'm still wondering: why not have both, a public forum that's also accessible through a client that has chatrooms and voice channels for that community built-in?
It's all web tech anyway, literally nothing is stopping anyone from implementing things this way. We can have our cake and eat it too. How did we end up in this mess, with Discord enshittified but no properly working, comprehensive alternative (which isn't "go back to have 5 different apps").
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@killyourfm I'm still wondering: why not have both, a public forum that's also accessible through a client that has chatrooms and voice channels for that community built-in?
It's all web tech anyway, literally nothing is stopping anyone from implementing things this way. We can have our cake and eat it too. How did we end up in this mess, with Discord enshittified but no properly working, comprehensive alternative (which isn't "go back to have 5 different apps").
@Natanox @killyourfm just have a chatroom embed on a page of the forum, like one of those web IRC clients. I remember seeing some forums doing this already many years ago.
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@Natanox @killyourfm just have a chatroom embed on a page of the forum, like one of those web IRC clients. I remember seeing some forums doing this already many years ago.
@killyourfm @gianmarcogg03 Doing it with an app (even if it's just Electron) does give you better ways to handle UI/UX though, especially when it comes to Voice channels and navigation on touch devices. I don't think the old style of forums gonna cut it.
I don't understand why 99% of all so-called Discord-alternatives do not get the damn voice channels right anyway (or just ignore that feature entirely). They're a crucial element, and WebRTC isn't dark magic anymore.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm It’s amazing to see how issues that have essentially been solved decades ago were thrown out instead of refined. Usenet was federated from the get-go, FidoNet as well. The UX was challenging for casual users though.
The issue is the same everywhere in OSS tech: it’s dominated by engineers, not designers and UI/UX experts. They work for commercial entities because their expertise is valued there. Try working as a capable UX designer with OSS engineers and you’ll see what I mean.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm One of my local online news orgs just launched a forum. They mentioned how we are overwhelmed with social media nowadays and it’s a good time to return to the humble forum.
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