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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

    Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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    @nixCraft this RISC-V system looks incredibly cool.

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

      Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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      abmurrow@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @nixCraft This website is such an excellent rebuttal to the nonsensical parameters of the Californian law. Funny read!

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      • sirwumpus@tilde.zoneS sirwumpus@tilde.zone

        @nixCraft

        Or if you're a young developer, you download the source, stub out the age tests, and build your own version to install from - you going to sue a teen cause they have skills?

        The whole notion of age verification in open source software where the source of the software is available to modify, is so brain damaged and unenforceable.

        Maybe add age verification as a loadable kernel module. Then people can opt-out or opt-in at the time of install.

        I am amazed that #California of all places, being open to ideas and a hub of technology is parking their brain cells in a handicap zone.

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        @sirwumpus @nixCraft

        It's because these data collection bills (let's be real, that's what they are) are being funding by mostly Meta to push age verificiation onto OS providers under the guise of "won't someone *please* think of the children?!"

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        • abmurrow@hachyderm.ioA abmurrow@hachyderm.io

          @nixCraft This website is such an excellent rebuttal to the nonsensical parameters of the Californian law. Funny read!

          nixcraft@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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          nixcraft@mastodon.social
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          #8

          @abmurrow yup, the bottom of the page is like big fuck off. Lmao.

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

            Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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            (agelesslinux.org)

            kestral@masto.hackers.townK This user is from outside of this forum
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            #9

            @nixCraft love this, but the website is very US-centric. This age verification madness is sweeping the whole world.

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

              Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

              favicon

              (agelesslinux.org)

              viq@social.hackerspace.plV This user is from outside of this forum
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              @nixCraft
              It's Unix - of course **EVERYONE** was born on 1970-01-01 !
              @agturcz

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              • kestral@masto.hackers.townK kestral@masto.hackers.town

                @nixCraft love this, but the website is very US-centric. This age verification madness is sweeping the whole world.

                jackeric@beige.partyJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @kestral @nixCraft it's California-centric because at this moment only California has enacted this law

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                  Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                  (agelesslinux.org)

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                  #12

                  @nixCraft Here's the #Debian #SystemDCensorD proposal, using D-Bus - "On installation, the user will be required to enter their location. ... This location and user data will be managed by a new daemon, systemd-censord, ... For example, ... a unit for China will implement keyword scans ... debian will need to switch to being a binary-only distribution ... with ... controls to prevent any non-signed software from being installed , written, or compiled, ..."

                  @debian

                  [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00018.html

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                  • jackeric@beige.partyJ jackeric@beige.party

                    @kestral @nixCraft it's California-centric because at this moment only California has enacted this law

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                    #13

                    @jackeric @nixCraft Sure - presently that's true - but other states in the US, and countries around the world, are close to doing so. My comment was specifically about the website listing other states where it might become law but not mentioning it's a global pheonomemon.

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                    • sirwumpus@tilde.zoneS sirwumpus@tilde.zone

                      @nixCraft

                      Or if you're a young developer, you download the source, stub out the age tests, and build your own version to install from - you going to sue a teen cause they have skills?

                      The whole notion of age verification in open source software where the source of the software is available to modify, is so brain damaged and unenforceable.

                      Maybe add age verification as a loadable kernel module. Then people can opt-out or opt-in at the time of install.

                      I am amazed that #California of all places, being open to ideas and a hub of technology is parking their brain cells in a handicap zone.

                      guillotine_jones@beige.partyG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #14

                      @sirwumpus @nixCraft
                      As AugrusButler points out below, the big 3 tech companies with a financial stake in age verification -- Apple, Alphabet, and Micro$haft -- pushed very aggressively in California for passage of this ill-advised and unfortunately passed bill.

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                      • boud@framapiaf.orgB boud@framapiaf.org

                        @nixCraft Here's the #Debian #SystemDCensorD proposal, using D-Bus - "On installation, the user will be required to enter their location. ... This location and user data will be managed by a new daemon, systemd-censord, ... For example, ... a unit for China will implement keyword scans ... debian will need to switch to being a binary-only distribution ... with ... controls to prevent any non-signed software from being installed , written, or compiled, ..."

                        @debian

                        [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2026/03/msg00018.html

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                        @boud

                        Gosh — is it 1st April already? 😄

                        @nixCraft @debian

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                          Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                          @nixCraft is this a joke? or i don't get it. when it requires first the download or e.g. debian, but debian itself requires the age check on install, how can ageless linux work, when you have to run the conversion script after the debian installation?

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                          • A augrahsbutler@mastodon.social

                            @sirwumpus @nixCraft

                            It's because these data collection bills (let's be real, that's what they are) are being funding by mostly Meta to push age verificiation onto OS providers under the guise of "won't someone *please* think of the children?!"

                            sirwumpus@tilde.zoneS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @AugrahsButler @nixCraft

                            the guise of "won't someone please think of the children?!"

                            Oddly enough, it was the 1970's and 1980's children that took apart code - Apple II supplied BIOS code, Exidy Sorcerer available monitor code and circuit layout, DR's CP/M the BIOS portion though many disassembler all of CP/M to add more features to name a few,

                            Its the children driven by curiosity, a desire to understand, and learn that bring about future changes. They won't care about age rules, just a challenge to bypass them and sell that knowledge to their friends.

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                            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                              Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                              Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                              (agelesslinux.org)

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                              @nixCraft ok that finished to change my mind. Thanks.

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                                Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                                @nixCraft I love this solution, but what are the plans for hardware providers? I feel like companies that offer Linux pre-installed will be the ones on the hook for ensuring the age verification is there. Will there be California editions that come with no OS?

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                                  Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                                  @nixCraft linux can’t fundamentally do age verification because how it’s built into the system to be local by default and even if something was made you could literally strip it out of the source code so even if a company like Ubuntu added it into something a dev team like Linux Mint would remove that crap anyway.

                                  The law makers really are showing their age being out of touch with technology like my mother and grandmother.

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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                                    Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                                    @nixCraft
                                    Where I can catch up on the context?

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                                    • sirwumpus@tilde.zoneS sirwumpus@tilde.zone

                                      @nixCraft

                                      Or if you're a young developer, you download the source, stub out the age tests, and build your own version to install from - you going to sue a teen cause they have skills?

                                      The whole notion of age verification in open source software where the source of the software is available to modify, is so brain damaged and unenforceable.

                                      Maybe add age verification as a loadable kernel module. Then people can opt-out or opt-in at the time of install.

                                      I am amazed that #California of all places, being open to ideas and a hub of technology is parking their brain cells in a handicap zone.

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                                      @sirwumpus @nixCraft I think it's more serious than that. Open source cannot escape cryptographic signature verification that can be required for remote services.

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        Ageless Linux: Software for humans of indeterminate age. We don't know how old you are. We don't want to know. We are legally required to ask. We won't.

                                        Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                                        Interesting to see how many people are born on 1970-01-01.

                                        @nixCraft

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                                        • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

                                          @nixCraft is this a joke? or i don't get it. when it requires first the download or e.g. debian, but debian itself requires the age check on install, how can ageless linux work, when you have to run the conversion script after the debian installation?

                                          gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu
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                                          @utf_7 @nixCraft Debian now asks for age on install???

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