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Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot.

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  • foolishowl@social.coopF foolishowl@social.coop

    @rebeccawatson I was looking at Turing's paper about the "imitation game" a few days ago, and found out Turing was making a much more limited claim than was ascribed to him, and it wasn't about consciousness. I still was getting it a bit wrong, in that I thought it was still about whether machines could be said to think.

    It's interesting that the original form of the "imitation game" he uses as a model is about determining a person's gender.

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    @foolishowl @rebeccawatson Random factoid: Turing's Ph.D supervisor was none other than Alonzo Church, who developed the lambda-calculus upon which the LISP programming language, popular with MIT CSAIL in the 70s and 80s, was based. The pi-calculus developed by Robin Milner is peripherally related but has deixis in the time domain applying to networked communication.

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    • mnl@hachyderm.ioM mnl@hachyderm.io

      @foolishowl @rebeccawatson so much "legend" built around turing, but reading his papers really shows what a careful and subtle thinker he was. very inspiring and humbling.

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      @foolishowl @rebeccawatson just for wider reference, because it's getting increasingly annoying to find: https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf

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      • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

        @foolishowl @rebeccawatson Random factoid: Turing's Ph.D supervisor was none other than Alonzo Church, who developed the lambda-calculus upon which the LISP programming language, popular with MIT CSAIL in the 70s and 80s, was based. The pi-calculus developed by Robin Milner is peripherally related but has deixis in the time domain applying to networked communication.

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        @foolishowl @rebeccawatson Also someone is raining on Yann Lecun's world model parade before he's even engaged the work fully. http://arxiv.org/abs/2507.10624 As someone who had reason to read the Bhagavad Gita in the past, I find Dawkins' functionalism utterly uninformed.

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        • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

          Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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          @rebeccawatson LLMs in general are very generous with compliments. You can even instruct them to take on a role (like a woman) for context.

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          • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

            Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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            @rebeccawatson delicious 🙂

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            • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

              Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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              @rebeccawatson Dawkins believes the bot because the bot says it's true? Like religious people believe in their texts because they say it's true?
              Except it's not some old text that people can be excused to think was written with good intent.
              We KNOW the machine was created to be a more extreme spell checker that is also sycophantic. Like, the people that created it are alive right now and not even they (usually!) try to claim the bot is conscious.
              This is dumber than what he usually criticises.

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              • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                @rebeccawatson
                It's established long ago that being an expert in one field (in this case Biology) doesn't make you generally expert.
                Philosophy may use logic, but not particularly facts. Theology is separate from religion, faith and ritual. Dawkin showed in the God Delusion that he knew little about religions other than Christianity and was clueless on theology & a poor philosopher.
                His opinion on other than the narrow scientific field he's expert at is like interviewing a cleaner about Nukes.

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                • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                  Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                  @rebeccawatson
                  x and youtube 😢

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                  • aburtch@shakedown.socialA aburtch@shakedown.social

                    @rebeccawatson What caused you to cancel Ivory? Was it the user interface, missing features? Anything specific?

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                    @aburtch @rebeccawatson the author of ivory has gone full LLM-bro

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                    • rejj@dumpster.socialR rejj@dumpster.social

                      @aburtch @rebeccawatson the author of ivory has gone full LLM-bro

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                      @rejj @rebeccawatson well that sucks…

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                      • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                        Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                        @rebeccawatson Great piece, well nuanced. Dawkins is a narcissist, and believes he is always right... Maybe thinks he is a god? 😃

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                        • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                          Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                          @rebeccawatson So sad. Dawkins was one of the most brilliant evolutionary biologist. I don’t think his downfall is funny at all.

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                          • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                            Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                            @rebeccawatson That title is 👨‍🍳🤌 💋

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                            • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                              Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                              @rebeccawatson Stephan Krosecz: "It betrays a fundamental inability to internalize that the machine cannot understand you."

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                              • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                                Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                                @rebeccawatson fucking fantastic article. Thank you.

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                                • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                                  Many of you asked that I react to Richard Dawkins announcing that he fell for a chatbot. Instead of just pointing and laughing (my initial reaction obv) I dug into the “why” of it all: his obfuscations, insecurities, and utter sadness https://skepchick.org/2026/05/richard-dawkins-claude-delusion/

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                                  @rebeccawatson
                                  Richard Dawkins is why I still believe in God.

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                                  • herman@mastodon.worldH herman@mastodon.world

                                    @rebeccawatson So sad. Dawkins was one of the most brilliant evolutionary biologist. I don’t think his downfall is funny at all.

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                                    @Herman

                                    His downfall started awhile back, with his numerous transphobic statements.

                                    @rebeccawatson

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                                    • mnl@hachyderm.ioM mnl@hachyderm.io

                                      @foolishowl @rebeccawatson just for wider reference, because it's getting increasingly annoying to find: https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf

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                                      @mnl @foolishowl @rebeccawatson thanks for the link! I was aware that the Turing test isn't about what most people think, but I didn't remember any more details, so being able to read up on it is great!

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                                      • rebeccawatson@mstdn.socialR rebeccawatson@mstdn.social

                                        Apologies for the double post…I cancelled my subscription to Ivory, the Mastodon app refused to show my post despite refreshing for several minutes, and the new app Ice Cubes won’t seem to let me delete the repost. I’m still better at technology than Richard Dawkins.

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                                        @rebeccawatson What's wrong with Tusky? Works great for me

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                                        • larymir@chaos.socialL larymir@chaos.social

                                          @mnl @foolishowl @rebeccawatson thanks for the link! I was aware that the Turing test isn't about what most people think, but I didn't remember any more details, so being able to read up on it is great!

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                                          @Larymir @foolishowl @rebeccawatson in using the occasion too!

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