I started elementary as a high school student.
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@alienghic I wanted to say "killing people directly" but was out of characters. Gotta find a better instance.
To many people (sounds arrogant but the average person isn't very smart) there's a huge diff between lining people up next to a wall and shooting them vs putting them into a camp and killing them via malnutrition and disease.
> ICE straight up shot people on camera
Yup, and I hope the people responsible will be shot in return, though I have little hope of it happening intralegally.
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I started elementary as a high school student. When we were building the first versions of our desktop environment, one of our core developers was in high school and his parents accompanied him to the Ubuntu Developer Summit. How many things we have today wouldn’t exist if young people weren’t allowed to participate? The cost of not creating spaces that we can safely share with young people is too high
@danirabbit 100% agree. There is a huge range of contributions young people can make (and have made). In all fields, and I do not exaggerate.
I used to be a special prize judge for the US national science and engineering fair. (Was Westinghouse, then Intel). Every year I was astonished by the work of students who were often very young. One year I met a young woman at the competition, age 13 or so, and she was brilliant. She was there every year with something new. A brain computer interface at age 16! The next year I got her a hosted day at Caltech to hang out, attend some lectures. Not your ordinary college interview. A well known professor of astrophysics told me later that she asked better questions than his graduate students! Caltech offered her a free ride, a stipend, a fully equipped lab, an assistant … she ultimately chose MIT which was closer to her home. She has had a brilliant career.
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit Church, bible studdy, and to their rooms where they are seen but not heard.
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@alienghic @martin_t Ye gods, talk about a crit fail.
They weren't really trying there, were they?
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@alienghic @martin_t Ye gods, talk about a crit fail.
They weren't really trying there, were they?
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I started elementary as a high school student. When we were building the first versions of our desktop environment, one of our core developers was in high school and his parents accompanied him to the Ubuntu Developer Summit. How many things we have today wouldn’t exist if young people weren’t allowed to participate? The cost of not creating spaces that we can safely share with young people is too high
@danirabbit This is very surprising to me because I thought it was a requirement to finish elementary before starting high school.
This is a joke, and I’d like to apologize to you for making this joke.
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit simple answer: they aren't. they're supposed to have nothing outside their parents, their school approved reading materials and ,in the cases of a lot of the people pushing this, the church
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P pixelate@tweesecake.social shared this topic
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@danirabbit lock them in the closet until they're 18 (?)
@tranquillity @danirabbit
But when they are released at 18, they must be perfectly fitting in members of the society.
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But when they are released at 18, they must be perfectly fitting in members of the society.️@kawunngg @danirabbit yep, gotta magically figure it out
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit and that question is one that no parent wants to have to ask about their child.
When there's no obvious place to exercise an interest in a healthy way, it'll be done in a sketchy place in an unhealthy way.
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit They'll get let into our spaces as long as they do exactly as we say.
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit
I’m Rania from Gaza
We lost our home, and now my children and I are living in a fragile tent with no protection from the cold or illness.
Watching my children suffer while I can’t provide even the basics is breaking my heart every single day.
Please don’t leave us alone in this pain
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit We live in a place where the state, and its paid up “elected” agents, look at children like they’re animals to be controlled. Of course, seeing how things are going, our same government does not seem too crazy about the adults, either. Control and profits are the twin evils and motives of our age.
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I started elementary as a high school student. When we were building the first versions of our desktop environment, one of our core developers was in high school and his parents accompanied him to the Ubuntu Developer Summit. How many things we have today wouldn’t exist if young people weren’t allowed to participate? The cost of not creating spaces that we can safely share with young people is too high
@danirabbit Thank you for your and the folks hardwork \o/
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@danirabbit I don't think "safely" is even relevant. I had unfiltered access to the net since I was ~12 and I turned out fine. A friend told me she started watching porn when she was 13 and she turned out fine.
Yes, some people end up as NEETs/shut-ins/incels but those are outliers good for clickbait headlines. If we (decisions should be made by people, not politicians) are to restrict freedoms, we need sufficient proof of a causal relationship.
Until them, age-restrictionists can fuck off.
@martin_t i was thinking of safety more in terms of from predatory adults. In terms of content I wish that our society was focused a lot more on violent content. I’m not a child psychologist but I think being exposed to extreme violence and death is probably not good for anyone to see let alone a child. Being exposed to sexuality as a teen seems vaguely developmentally appropriate. I remember reading gay smut with my friends in class lol
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit Some of the powerful have plans, but I think they've all drunk too deeply of the idea that they can do whatever they want and let the externalities take care of themselves. And what they want is for anyone and anything that questions them or gets in their way to not exist anymore.
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit Libraries!
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit crime, clearly
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@danirabbit there is a story of cultural theory I've had in my head since my early 20s, which I've been slowly evolving. We keep going people siloed into artificial groups of all one age bracket until they're 18, and often until their early 20s if they attend higher education. It's unnatural, and it's an artificial situation that they will never encounter again the rest of their lives.
As a result, because they are shut off away from their parent's culture they develop their own. Which is why every generation has their own music, fashion, and even language. It also makes parent's feel alienated from their kids and vice versa. Then these young people are thrust out into the real world, and they never experience such an environment again.
I had the misfortune of being labeled "gifted" while not getting the actual diagnosis that really applies (autistic). Instead of letting "gifted" kids move at their own accelerated pace we generally keep them in the same group with their "peers" because if we put them in with older kids they would feel alienated. That's the theory. Fuck, I was already alienated. Then I had to wait around and try to occupy my brain while the other kids caught up. That just made me feel even less party of the group. If the internet had been a thing back then it might have really helped my mental health.
I'm rambling a bit. I could do the subject s lot more justice long-form, and I've been thinking about doing just that when time permits. Suffice to say, I think a lot of society's ills stem from generational divide. Locking kids away from online life will absolutely make that worse.
@jeang3nie @danirabbit Very much same sort of history. And agreed that it's doing no one any favors.
