I started elementary as a high school student.
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We’ve pushed young people completely out of our public physical spaces and now they’re getting pushed out of our digital spaces as well. Where are they supposed to go?
@danirabbit when I saw this boosted I didn't see the preceding post, and thought this was about age restrictions and id etc for social media - which kind of shows your point, how thorough-going this exclusion of the young is. -
I started elementary as a high school student. When we were building the first versions of our desktop environment, one of our core developers was in high school and his parents accompanied him to the Ubuntu Developer Summit. How many things we have today wouldn’t exist if young people weren’t allowed to participate? The cost of not creating spaces that we can safely share with young people is too high
@danirabbit I don't think "safely" is even relevant. I had unfiltered access to the net since I was ~12 and I turned out fine. A friend told me she started watching porn when she was 13 and she turned out fine.
Yes, some people end up as NEETs/shut-ins/incels but those are outliers good for clickbait headlines. If we (decisions should be made by people, not politicians) are to restrict freedoms, we need sufficient proof of a causal relationship.
Until them, age-restrictionists can fuck off.
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Also don't learn about racism, sexism, global warming or activism.
I think a big reason for the push to erase kids is Gretta Thunbergs activism because it threatened the oil industry
"The most common theme in the banned non-fiction books was activism and social movements."
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2026/may/07/banned-non-fiction-books-doubles@alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit Land of the free...
Up until about a year ago, I saw Europe as the last bastion of actual freedom (although we have more restrictions on free speech and I was threatened with cops for things I said online by people who were provably abuser-types and flying monkeys).
With the latest wave of restrictions like chat control and age checks, I don't think there's anywhere left.
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@alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit She did call out oil company execs by name.
@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit Only name and not address?
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@alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit That's why I occasionally say "passive aggressive depopulation strategy." Because that's what this is.
Until it's no longer passive, anyway.
@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
I know what you're trying to say but the issue with phrasing it like this in spaces filled with non-open-minded average people is that it sounds too much like a conspiracy theory.
At the same time I know a bunch of young people who say they're not gonna have kids because they don't want to bring another person into an unjust world. And a bunch of older people then complain about immigration being used to replace us.
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@alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit That's why I occasionally say "passive aggressive depopulation strategy." Because that's what this is.
Until it's no longer passive, anyway.
@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
Anyway, their goal is not depopulation, that's just a side effect. Their goal is to have fun, which to them is competing with other rich and anti-social people who has a bigger number in his bank account.
The real issue is constantly letting anti-socials into positions of power instead of democratizing everything - not just governments but companies too - and with direct democracy, not this "vote for parties to control your life" appeasement.
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I started elementary as a high school student. When we were building the first versions of our desktop environment, one of our core developers was in high school and his parents accompanied him to the Ubuntu Developer Summit. How many things we have today wouldn’t exist if young people weren’t allowed to participate? The cost of not creating spaces that we can safely share with young people is too high
@danirabbit I got my start contributing to open source as a high schooler. That was really important for me.
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@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
Anyway, their goal is not depopulation, that's just a side effect. Their goal is to have fun, which to them is competing with other rich and anti-social people who has a bigger number in his bank account.
The real issue is constantly letting anti-socials into positions of power instead of democratizing everything - not just governments but companies too - and with direct democracy, not this "vote for parties to control your life" appeasement.
Several of the people in the Trump administration definitely want black, brown, and trans people dead.
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@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
I know what you're trying to say but the issue with phrasing it like this in spaces filled with non-open-minded average people is that it sounds too much like a conspiracy theory.
At the same time I know a bunch of young people who say they're not gonna have kids because they don't want to bring another person into an unjust world. And a bunch of older people then complain about immigration being used to replace us.
I'm quite depressed and expect that unless the petrostates can be kicked out of power the future for most of us will look like life somewhere between gaza and ukraine.
Just the destruction will be more often due to angry weather and only occasionally be due to war.
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Several of the people in the Trump administration definitely want black, brown, and trans people dead.
@alienghic No doubt but they're outliers. Issues with this phrasing:
1) you're using an extreme example to characterize a group, it distorts the discussion
2) people will believe you if they already want to but the average person will see a conspiracy theorist and ignore you.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and repeating that evidence for every new person who hears about it.
Actually killing people is outside the majority's Overton window (for now) so they won't (for now)
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@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit Only name and not address?
@martin_t @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit To the best of my knowledge, no.
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@drwho @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit
I know what you're trying to say but the issue with phrasing it like this in spaces filled with non-open-minded average people is that it sounds too much like a conspiracy theory.
At the same time I know a bunch of young people who say they're not gonna have kids because they don't want to bring another person into an unjust world. And a bunch of older people then complain about immigration being used to replace us.
@martin_t @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit I know. I gave up talking about it a long time ago for that very reason.
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I'm quite depressed and expect that unless the petrostates can be kicked out of power the future for most of us will look like life somewhere between gaza and ukraine.
Just the destruction will be more often due to angry weather and only occasionally be due to war.
@alienghic @martin_t Pretty much.
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@alienghic No doubt but they're outliers. Issues with this phrasing:
1) you're using an extreme example to characterize a group, it distorts the discussion
2) people will believe you if they already want to but the average person will see a conspiracy theorist and ignore you.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and repeating that evidence for every new person who hears about it.
Actually killing people is outside the majority's Overton window (for now) so they won't (for now)
There will likely be millions dead due to the USAID cuts.
Study: 14 million lives could be lost due to Trump aid cuts
A new study looks at lives saved by USAID in the past and what the future without the agency will look like.
NPR (www.npr.org)
Trump and his faction support Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza
Trump’s genocidal plan to ‘clean out’ Gaza was there all along
The US president has clearly had only Israeli and real estate interests at heart.
Al Jazeera (www.aljazeera.com)
Anti-vaxers are gutting american public health, undermining or even cancelling vaccines to fit with wellness influencer fantasies will also have a significant body count.
RFK Jr. moves on vaccines could have broad ramifications for public health, says expert | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Yonatan Grad, professor of immunology and infectious diseases, comments on the potential impact of recent decisions related to vaccines made by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health (hsph.harvard.edu)
Anti-vax ideology led to measles vaccine refusal and several hundred documented deaths in the USA.
Gutting FEMA will lead to more deaths from disasters.
Some FEMA staff call out Trump cuts in public letter of dissent
More than 180 current and former FEMA employees have published a letter warning of potential disaster due to cuts in the agency.
AP News (apnews.com)
Dozens have died in the ICE internment camps
ICE stopped paying for prisoner healthcare months ago.
ICE stopped paying for detainee medical care as population surged, Ossoff investigation finds widespread neglect
Records show ICE has stopped paying for detainee medical care as the detained population has nearly doubled, and reports of neglect have mounted.
(www.cbsnews.com)
There have been significant outbreaks of COVID, Measles, and Tuberculosis over the past few years in ICE interment camps.
Oh right, and ICE straight up shot people on camera.
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@martin_t @alienghic @Mimesatwork @danirabbit I know. I gave up talking about it a long time ago for that very reason.
Yes some things sound like conspiracies.
But sometimes we've got the court cases showing there were intentional conspiracies.
Straight up funding for a climate denial group was found as an outstanding debt for a bankrupt coal company.
Canadian Climate Denial Group, Friends of Science, Named as Creditor in Coal Giant's Bankruptcy Files | The Narwhal
By Charles Mandel for the National Observer.
The Narwhal (thenarwhal.ca)
The USA oil companies figured out global warming would happen and threaten catastrophic destruction between 1950 and 1970s.
Instead of doing anything to move off of oil the funded disinformation groups to block the transition off of oil
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I started elementary as a high school student. When we were building the first versions of our desktop environment, one of our core developers was in high school and his parents accompanied him to the Ubuntu Developer Summit. How many things we have today wouldn’t exist if young people weren’t allowed to participate? The cost of not creating spaces that we can safely share with young people is too high
@danirabbit Young people are people, and they need the same things as everyone else.
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Yes some things sound like conspiracies.
But sometimes we've got the court cases showing there were intentional conspiracies.
Straight up funding for a climate denial group was found as an outstanding debt for a bankrupt coal company.
Canadian Climate Denial Group, Friends of Science, Named as Creditor in Coal Giant's Bankruptcy Files | The Narwhal
By Charles Mandel for the National Observer.
The Narwhal (thenarwhal.ca)
The USA oil companies figured out global warming would happen and threaten catastrophic destruction between 1950 and 1970s.
Instead of doing anything to move off of oil the funded disinformation groups to block the transition off of oil
@alienghic @martin_t I know. I nearly took gigs working for two of them about fifteen years back.
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@alienghic @martin_t I know. I nearly took gigs working for two of them about fifteen years back.
I ended up arguing with Friends of Science on twitter, and their arguments were so bad.
I remember one of their works included "we cant trust the IPCC report because it was written by people who don't wear suits".
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Yes some things sound like conspiracies.
But sometimes we've got the court cases showing there were intentional conspiracies.
Straight up funding for a climate denial group was found as an outstanding debt for a bankrupt coal company.
Canadian Climate Denial Group, Friends of Science, Named as Creditor in Coal Giant's Bankruptcy Files | The Narwhal
By Charles Mandel for the National Observer.
The Narwhal (thenarwhal.ca)
The USA oil companies figured out global warming would happen and threaten catastrophic destruction between 1950 and 1970s.
Instead of doing anything to move off of oil the funded disinformation groups to block the transition off of oil
Yup, many are real. What I was trying to say is that to the average person, it doesn't matter what is true, what matters is whether it sounds true.
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There will likely be millions dead due to the USAID cuts.
Study: 14 million lives could be lost due to Trump aid cuts
A new study looks at lives saved by USAID in the past and what the future without the agency will look like.
NPR (www.npr.org)
Trump and his faction support Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza
Trump’s genocidal plan to ‘clean out’ Gaza was there all along
The US president has clearly had only Israeli and real estate interests at heart.
Al Jazeera (www.aljazeera.com)
Anti-vaxers are gutting american public health, undermining or even cancelling vaccines to fit with wellness influencer fantasies will also have a significant body count.
RFK Jr. moves on vaccines could have broad ramifications for public health, says expert | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Yonatan Grad, professor of immunology and infectious diseases, comments on the potential impact of recent decisions related to vaccines made by Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health (hsph.harvard.edu)
Anti-vax ideology led to measles vaccine refusal and several hundred documented deaths in the USA.
Gutting FEMA will lead to more deaths from disasters.
Some FEMA staff call out Trump cuts in public letter of dissent
More than 180 current and former FEMA employees have published a letter warning of potential disaster due to cuts in the agency.
AP News (apnews.com)
Dozens have died in the ICE internment camps
ICE stopped paying for prisoner healthcare months ago.
ICE stopped paying for detainee medical care as population surged, Ossoff investigation finds widespread neglect
Records show ICE has stopped paying for detainee medical care as the detained population has nearly doubled, and reports of neglect have mounted.
(www.cbsnews.com)
There have been significant outbreaks of COVID, Measles, and Tuberculosis over the past few years in ICE interment camps.
Oh right, and ICE straight up shot people on camera.
@alienghic I wanted to say "killing people directly" but was out of characters. Gotta find a better instance.
To many people (sounds arrogant but the average person isn't very smart) there's a huge diff between lining people up next to a wall and shooting them vs putting them into a camp and killing them via malnutrition and disease.
> ICE straight up shot people on camera
Yup, and I hope the people responsible will be shot in return, though I have little hope of it happening intralegally.
