677: I Accept the Battery Costhttps://atp.fm/677

[freediverx@mastodon.social]

@siracusa
Fair enough. Wouldn't be the first time I had mistaken assumptions about how “most" people think, lol.

I can't find it now but I recently saw the perfect meme showing robots inside an apartment building creating music and art while the humans outside were collecting garbage and performing other less desirable jobs.

We were promised The Jetsons but capital had something else in mind.

[rowdy26@mastodon.social]

@atpfm could Marco please list all jobs where an expertise in using LLM’s will be a prerequisite? Also, if he could list these jobs where LLM’s have made a ‘huge’ impact on staff numbers? Thanks in advance…

[fraxalotl@mastodon.xyz]

@atpfm Cloudflare access need not be scary!

i set it up for me and my brothers plex media server,

you can think of it simply as a gate from any random accessing your service vs who you allow.

in conjunction with cloudflare tunnels, it could be a very convenient solution to auth gating private services.

(if you want to go hard manual server route, i have also set up caddy (web server like nginx/traefik/pache) forwarding auth to 'authentik' (which allowed me to do passkey auth)

[sayrer@mastodon.social]

@caseyliss @jon I've wondered about this one. It occurred to me that I did not know where Fahrenheit got his scale. It is, in fact, based on human perception of our body temperature (huh! Casey has a point)

Fahrenheit - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

[sayrer@mastodon.social]

@caseyliss @jon also, for @marcoarment's year-of-basic, we had one of these guys outside the window above the kitchen sink. Nailed to the window frame. So you'd just look at it when getting coffee/cereal/oatmeal etc in the morning. Didn't even watch weather on TV, let alone check an app. No scale conflict, either.

[anirudhc@hachyderm.io]

@atpfm Recommend reading this blog by Mitchell Hashimoto (founder of Hashicorp which makes terraform etc.) on how to get better at using AI agents for coding: https://mitchellh.com/writing/my-ai-adoption-journey. He currently makes Ghostty which is a highly performant Mac native (using SwiftUI) terminal which can run these CLI agents very well. cc @marcoarment @siracusa @caseyliss

[lordsplodge@brettspiel.space]

@atpfm The bad news about so-called AI (and LLMs aren’t really AI) is already known. From the real bad things like pollution of people’s air, and loss of water, through job loses, stolen data, right down to pure greed causing the RAM apocalypse.

It can write some code or can hallucinate some plausible answers doesn’t counter the damage done.

[aahonen@mastodontti.fi]

@atpfm @caseyliss You have to admit that Fahrenheit kind of sucks. Yes, every programmer can understand that water freezes at 2^5 °F but the boiling point? 212 °F 🤯 Come on, that is nowhere near 2^7 or 2^8

[colman@mastodon.ie]

@siracusa radioactive nostrums, cocaine* in your soft drinks, nfts …

(* I’d look up the correct details but I’d have to wade through too much slop.)

[vnkr@mastodon.social]

@darxmac @atpfm savage

[alanjedmonds@mastodon.social]

@atpfm I've lived in England all my life, and I agree with Casey about temperature units. Growing up in the '70s, Fahrenheit was still in common use. My parents had a new heating system fitted in 1977, and the thermostat used Fahrenheit. It has taken me years to get used to Celsius, and I still think in Fahrenheit.

[aahonen@mastodontti.fi]

@sayrer @caseyliss @jon Obviously you haven’t been in Finland and in Finnish sauna <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna>. If the temperature in the sauna is less than 80°C the sauna is considered to be cold. So the typical temperature range is 80°–100°C and hot sauna is over 100°C.
Lately we have had outside temperatures from -35°C to –10°C in Finland. So, Celsius temperature scale is much better. Q.E.D.

[vmachiel@mastodon.nl]

@siracusa i do not like the comparison with electricity etc i must say.. those provide huge benefits for everyone. AI uses so much power and stolen material to provide benefits for a relatively small group of the population. Electricity made us all beter and more equal, AI is making it worse.

[marcoshuerta@vmst.io]

@atpfm I'm not sure we are thinking through the long term impacts of "agentic" AI writing software.

None of these tools make money: Claude Code loses money at $20/month and $100/month. What happens when they start charging what it takes to show a profit margin?

I think these tools work when used by otherwise experienced programmers - there's a big risk that it leads to fewer good software engineers and then we have a lot of obtuse machine written code (often written in a language that the writer of claude.md may not know).

it's all fine for a low stakes dashboard, it seems fraught for production.

[sayrer@mastodon.social]

@aahonen @caseyliss @jon oh boy, here we go. Firstly, I have been there / done that, but it's been a while, and only around Helsinki. Celsius is nice for heating up water like that (Casey said for cooking, but same idea). Celsius is not so good for the outside. In Fahrenheit, 0 is about -18. That's where you better be careful. Above that, just wear a coat and gloves.

[techremarker@mastodon.social]

@atpfm Google Maps however is much worse than Waze for incident reports, aka for speed traps, items in the road, etc. Over the years the teams merged, and Google Maps in theory got more of that, but when testing both side by side Waze continues to report drastically more in this has always been the biggest benefit of Waze. Apple Maps interface blows both away for an Apple user, but as you noted lacks the data Google has.

[techremarker@mastodon.social]

@atpfm Waze interface while the tiles are dated, as more Applely notably in CarPlay where most will interact with it. Google interface is still very much Android. So I still find myself jumping between the three. Hopefully eventually all traffic incidents from Waze show up in Google, and the UI gets a bit more refined, then could see myself using that fully even if far less enjoyable than Apple Maps, the other benefits would probably make it worth it.

[siracusa@mastodon.social]

@marcoshuerta I agree with all of this! Uber is a similar recent example: "Lose money until we've destroyed enough of the existing market that we can start charging higher prices and customers have nowhere left to turn."

The relative timing of the bubble-pop (or even more mild "consolidation") vs. the rate at which these tools improve and we learn how to use them well will probably make a big difference in how this goes.

[siracusa@mastodon.social]

@vmachiel I think your opinion of electricity would have been very similar to your opinion of AI had you lived during its dawn! Electricity initially "provided benefits for a relatively small group of the population" while its generation poisoned the air and polluted the water, all of which affected the masses way more than the elites. Oh, and eventually…climate change.

[vmachiel@mastodon.nl]

@siracusa but adding AI on top of our current energy needs is just irresponsible. At this point. Even without AI we are damaging the planet beyond repair. We are burning to planet to generate fake narratives.

Plus we didn’t steal everyone’s stuff to make electricity. And electricity doesn’t lie.

AI is a curiousity, not a necessity for a decent life like electricity is. You want to use it, but the whole ethical justification is flimsy. And AI is not inevitable