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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.

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  • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

    @zzt READ IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST MOTHERFUCKERS! THE NUMBER TATTOOS WERE AN ENTRY IN THE IBM HOLLERITH PUNCH CARDS

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    @hipsterelectron @zzt Nazi Nexus by the same author is a good overview of US corporate inspiration for, collusion with, and enablement of the Nazis.

    A lot of familiar notes ringing with the present and I was reading it in ~2017.

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      @violetmadder @hipsterelectron @zzt It does what it is intended to, protect social media companies from liability. Without even mentioning social media.

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      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

        “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like,” I said, tapping the icon on my phone that summons an unlicensed taxi

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        @zzt corporations can ignore laws they don't like. software can't do anything. people implementing software that violates the law invites risk of punishment, and ignoring that does nothing but alienate them. the fact that taking the risk is in this case the morally correct thing to do does not erase that.

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        • shitpostalotl@axfedi.derg.restS shitpostalotl@axfedi.derg.rest

          @zzt corporations can ignore laws they don't like. software can't do anything. people implementing software that violates the law invites risk of punishment, and ignoring that does nothing but alienate them. the fact that taking the risk is in this case the morally correct thing to do does not erase that.

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          @shitpostalotl maybe you should stick to hacker news with tepid fucking takes like “software can’t do anything, don’t resist or you’ll get in trouble”, those assholes will clap like seals

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          • springdiesel@spore.socialS springdiesel@spore.social

            @PixelRobot @zzt

            "IBM did not sell any of its punch card machines to Nazi Germany. The equipment was leased by the month. Each month, often more frequently, authorized repairmen, working directly for or trained by IBM, serviced the machines on-site-whether in the middle of Berlin or at a concentration camp."

            Holy crap.

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            @springdiesel @PixelRobot @zzt The guy that okayed all that was named Watson.

            When IBM was on the cutting age of LLM research, before everyone else passed them, they called their LLM Watson.

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            • helielo@mastodon.socialH helielo@mastodon.social

              @sabik @zzt @jwz “He also hacked his own machines, reprogramming them so that they’d never punch information from Column 11 [where citizens were asked to indicate their religion] onto any census card”

              People who make software have a duty to follow his example.

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              @helielo @sabik @zzt anonymizing religion against a fascist government often requires more work than simply blanking out the fields (which would indicate data tampering) so i assume carmille as head statistician of the french census did something more complicated. anonymity is very poorly treated in research and deserves much more investment particularly as analogy to encryption

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              • wall_e@ioc.exchangeW wall_e@ioc.exchange

                @losttourist @schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard until suddenly there's a law in place that mandates your distro, which probably uses shim, will only be able to get a signed cert from Microsoft's UEFI CA signing service when it has submitted its age-verification for review.
                And of course, since we gotta protect the children and generally increase security, now every new system sold must enforce UEFI Secure Boot with a strictly regulated set of platform keys.

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                @wall_e Such a law, if it ever came into existence, would happen with or without systemd or the Linux kernel's co-operation.

                And if that behaviour IS mandated by law, what do you do? You presumably find an OS that refuses to comply (maybe one of the BSDs) -- but if the law now says it's illegal for you as a user to do that, you're running the risk of having your devices seized & a spell in prison if you're found out.

                None of this is good but if you seriously think that the entire direction of travel in this space hinges on one program's commit to store an additional 10 bytes of optional data, then your understanding of how the world works is vastly different to mine.

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                • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                  “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like,” I said, from a linux system that can play and encode MP3s

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                  @zzt
                  Well, mp3 is now open.
                  I discovered it this week.

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                  • pixelrobot@neopaquita.esP pixelrobot@neopaquita.es

                    @zzt Relax, man. It's just a numerical identifier in a database. It's harmless.

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                    Edwin Black: Infamous Auschwitz Tattoo Began as an IBM Number

                    [Edwin Black is the New York Times bestselling and award-winning author of IBM and the Holocaust, and the forthcoming book, The Plan--How to Save America the Day after the Oil Stops— or Perhaps the Day Before (Dialog Press, September 2008). This essay was adapted from a 2001 article which originally appeared in the Village Voice and syndicated thereafter, which received the award for Best Investigative Article of the Year by American Society of Journalists and Authors.] In August 1943, a t

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                    @PixelRobot @zzt If anyone hasn't read Black's "IBM and the Holocaust" it's horrifying and essential.

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                    • ajroach42@retro.socialA ajroach42@retro.social

                      @springdiesel @PixelRobot @zzt The guy that okayed all that was named Watson.

                      When IBM was on the cutting age of LLM research, before everyone else passed them, they called their LLM Watson.

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                      @ajroach42 @springdiesel @PixelRobot @zzt the Watson s (Sr. and Jr.) were CEOs from 1915 to 1971.

                      The Thomas J. Watson Research Center is named after them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Watson_Research_Center

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                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                        “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers

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                        @zzt@mas.to "software can't just ignore laws it doesn't like" i say as i encode a video to h.264 and download several videos and songs from the web for free

                        at what point will this sentence ever be true

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                        • springdiesel@spore.socialS springdiesel@spore.social

                          @PixelRobot @zzt

                          "IBM did not sell any of its punch card machines to Nazi Germany. The equipment was leased by the month. Each month, often more frequently, authorized repairmen, working directly for or trained by IBM, serviced the machines on-site-whether in the middle of Berlin or at a concentration camp."

                          Holy crap.

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                          @springdiesel Yup, horrible history…including the monthly subscription model.

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