"Healthy people cost less
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@leeloo @Wintergr33n @argals In Finland speeding tickets (once the speeding is severe) are calculated based on income levels based on last taxed income (and additionally based on severity).
Other countries using similar arrangements are Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Mexico and Macao (according to wikipedia): https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4iv%C3%A4sakko
@nihkeys @leeloo @Wintergr33n @argals Germany's speeding tickets are (unfortunately) not based on income.
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"Healthy people cost less.
Educated people contribute more.
Housed people are more stable....in a healthy society there are no "undeserving".
There are just people."
@argals The problem with U.S. is if it’s not good for me I don’t want it. The U.S. is very selfish and there has to be major societal changes before “we” could ever enact something like “democratic socialism” it’s sad but it’s the truth. The government has always been about “profits before people”.
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"Healthy people cost less.
Educated people contribute more.
Housed people are more stable....in a healthy society there are no "undeserving".
There are just people."@argals Here in the UK we feel disgusted at the idea of the lower classes receiving anything they haven't earned by toil and suffering. Poverty is seen as a moral failing, proof of laziness, criminality and stupidity. The US inherited that from us.
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"Healthy people cost less.
Educated people contribute more.
Housed people are more stable....in a healthy society there are no "undeserving".
There are just people."@argals Ever the wrong people pumping out overly simple and flawed messages with the media supporting them every step of the way.
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@argals reminds me of:
“A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transport. It is where the rich walk and where they use bikes. We should create cities where rich and poor meet as equals: in parks, on the sidewalks, on public transport.”
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"Healthy people cost less.
Educated people contribute more.
Housed people are more stable....in a healthy society there are no "undeserving".
There are just people."@argals I've gotten to a point where I've started calling this "Norwegian Envyposting."
Where a person, usually white, basically posts "Look at how nice white People in Norway can be when there isn't a critical mass of Not White People upsetting them?"
And the problem is... They bury the lede on whether the problem is "White people in former colonies still don't want to give up the benefits that racism got their ancestors" or the problem is "This colony let too many not white people thrive"
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@argals I've gotten to a point where I've started calling this "Norwegian Envyposting."
Where a person, usually white, basically posts "Look at how nice white People in Norway can be when there isn't a critical mass of Not White People upsetting them?"
And the problem is... They bury the lede on whether the problem is "White people in former colonies still don't want to give up the benefits that racism got their ancestors" or the problem is "This colony let too many not white people thrive"
@argals @argals because let me tell you: Democrats, Republicans, Fascists, Antifascists... They ALL want what Norwegians have.
But they have VERY different ideas of how to get there and who in the current society deserves it most.
And what is so scary is that now people are saying "The quiet part out loud" on the who and the how has been very upsetting for everyone involved.
But a good start is for well-meaning liberal types to stop posting a country of homogenous white people as the ideal.
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@jmopp @argals I am only observing that a significant portion of Americans are hostile to the idea of public goods and public welfare and I'm pretty sure it's because of their racism and explicitly opposed to the sentiment expressed in the original post. I would rather we all were like the Norwegian, alas.
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@spiegelmama @argals @soatok even if they mean well it's still always less efficient than just using the money to help more ppl instead of measuring their virtue
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Friend of mine came back from the Netherlands after visiting family, & told me about a meeting he sat in on with some of wife's colleagues & their management. Friend was boggling at how colleagues were just taking the •piss• out of mgmt for some stupid decision.
My immediate thought: "That's socialized healthcare for you."
