Well, this is unfortunate.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

Well, this is unfortunate.

"Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

#proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

Sam Bent (www.sambent.com)

[darkasvim@fosstodon.org]

@Gina I was considering moving over to Proton's services. I'll have to look more in depth at this decision. Thank you for pointing this out.

[imacrea@mamot.fr]

@Gina cc @protonprivacy ....

[michelamarie@mastodon.social]

@imacrea @Gina @protonprivacy #Jitsi is actually fairly straightforward to install and operate. It’s definitely worth considering instead of Proton Meet or one of the ‘big tech’ products.

[star@fed.amazonawaws.com]

@Gina @astraluma feeling insanely validated about my gut feeling about proton

[jakekb@mastodon.social]

@Gina Irrelevant question, but is there an actual private video-call platform and if yes which is it?

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@JakeKb I'd recommend #Jitsi for individual users.

[regendans@todon.eu]

@JakeKb @Gina If you have 75 or less video call attendees then Signal can be your E2EE video-call choice.

Just a moment...

(support.signal.org)

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@Gina Of course they did. Because Proton is owned by a fan of fascism.

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@Gina @JakeKb Seriously, Signal. I switched from Jitsi to Signal for meetings on the project I'm working on now, because of minor technical issues, and it's worked better anyway.

Now, Signal might not meet your needs for this if participants don't want to disclose their Signal usernames/phone-numbers, since Signal doesn't really do "multiple accounts" like they should. But if it does work, it's great, and actually private.

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@imacrea @Gina Did you seriously just snitch-tag?

[simondueckert@colearn.social]

@Gina Das ist ja mal ein riesiger Schuss in den Fuß ... warum?

[privateger@plasmatrap.com]

@Gina@fosstodon.org will people ever learn proton is a massive fed honeypot or will this continue

[pu@social.tchncs.de]

@privateger @Gina Proton products have always been snake oil. I think people *want* to believe they’re the good guys, for lack of easy alternatives.

[gokushrm@mastodon.social]

@Gina from 1 cloud trap (Google) to another cloud trap (Proton). ️

[gokushrm@mastodon.social]

@JakeKb @Gina signal

[arcanechat@fosstodon.org]

@Gina I can't believe in 2026 people still trust Proton, can't people realize by now it is really a bad idea to put your trust in a centralized provider?

[arcanechat@fosstodon.org]

@dalias coming soon (AGAIN!!):

ProtonMail official announcement: due to lack of resources we will be discontinuing our account here (not because you all are too woke and expose bad publicity about us) so please follow us on X and Reddit from now on to keep up to date, ok??? and remember: we really care about your privacy!

@imacrea @Gina

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@arcanechat @imacrea @Gina Sadly the fedi has no shortage of people who keep stanning for discredited "private email" and "private messenger" scammers.

[caitp@mstdn.social]

@arcanechat @Gina I still don't know what the realistic alternative is for electronic communications. it sucks... but without worldwide regulations, it's just always going to find ways to suck for people outside the inner circle of beneficiaries

and I very much want to pay a company that can avoid that, but... they are competing with companies with near monopolies, so how _can_ they compete? (and even the regulations would have to be like, morally guided and principled, but they wouldn't be...)