Age verification in #Gentoo: if you're using Gentoo, you must be old enough.
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@mgorny *thinks about it for a moment*
Oh wow, I think I literally started using Gentoo when I was 18. -
@prettygood @mgorny You're in your fifties? I would have never guessed.
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@prettygood @mgorny You're in your fifties? I would have never guessed.
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Age verification in #Gentoo: if you're using Gentoo, you must be old enough. Problem solved.
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@mgorny *thinks about it for a moment*
Oh wow, I think I literally started using Gentoo when I was 18.@lanodan @mgorny then I must be even weirder than people realize, I started using Gentoo in 1st year of high-school (age 15/16), ~2013. Then I stopped using it around 2021 and now I'm back again.
That being said, I don't think many teenagers would mess with Gentoo these days. Commodity of cheap but powerful hardware and smartphones really damaged the "hacker spirit" among teenagers, back then you had to somewhat understand computers to use them. These days it's all locked down so that advertising companies can serve you non-stop brainrot and monetize your attention *old woman yells at modern technology* -
Age verification in #Gentoo: if you're using Gentoo, you must be old enough. Problem solved.
@mgorny I first started with Gentoo things when I was 16 so dunno if that works
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@lanodan @mgorny then I must be even weirder than people realize, I started using Gentoo in 1st year of high-school (age 15/16), ~2013. Then I stopped using it around 2021 and now I'm back again.
That being said, I don't think many teenagers would mess with Gentoo these days. Commodity of cheap but powerful hardware and smartphones really damaged the "hacker spirit" among teenagers, back then you had to somewhat understand computers to use them. These days it's all locked down so that advertising companies can serve you non-stop brainrot and monetize your attention *old woman yells at modern technology* -
@mgorny @lanodan Gentoo at least has (excellent) documentation and is easy to use. Most NixOS users I spoke to had no idea how their system *actually* worked
Just one example: at GPN2023 someone wanted to borrow my PC because their NixOS install wouldn't boot and I was like "uuh... no? i can take a look if you bring your drive though".
It was installed in "BIOS" (legacy) mode so I just shrank ext4 partition to make space for 512MB vfat, ran grub-install to that and other basic misc stuff you need to do while installing GRUB. Tried to boot it on my system (coreboot+edk2, so UEFI only) and it booted into their desktop first-try.
Then I handed them the drive back and they asked me if updating NixOS would break it and I was like "heck if I know, I don't use NixOS" (technically it shouldn't, but it's really weird and cursed from what I've seen so far so who knows). -
@lanodan @mgorny then I must be even weirder than people realize, I started using Gentoo in 1st year of high-school (age 15/16), ~2013. Then I stopped using it around 2021 and now I'm back again.
That being said, I don't think many teenagers would mess with Gentoo these days. Commodity of cheap but powerful hardware and smartphones really damaged the "hacker spirit" among teenagers, back then you had to somewhat understand computers to use them. These days it's all locked down so that advertising companies can serve you non-stop brainrot and monetize your attention *old woman yells at modern technology*@elly @mgorny On teenagers these days… I'm not sure, like I could see some of them being like "I can't with all this shit anymore", and in a way never underestimate how rebellious teenagers can be ^^
(That said I've also seen how barely able to go against anything some people are because they aren't used to doing it at all)
That said I sometimes feel like the hacker spirit is ageing as in I barely ever see people from like high-school or university in local events, that said local city has a history of almost each generation making their own group, so maybe late-zoomer + gen-alpha will do their own. -
Age verification in #Gentoo: if you're using Gentoo, you must be old enough. Problem solved.
@mgorny@social.treehouse.systems Pretty sure I was between 12-14 when I started using Gentoo. Otoh, the mistakes on the Internet I did before then. I learned most of the major issues by that age (don't download windows drivers from weird pages and especially don't sign a contract to pay for them and there are lots of weird people online, sometimes you should stay away!).
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@mgorny @lanodan Gentoo at least has (excellent) documentation and is easy to use. Most NixOS users I spoke to had no idea how their system *actually* worked
Just one example: at GPN2023 someone wanted to borrow my PC because their NixOS install wouldn't boot and I was like "uuh... no? i can take a look if you bring your drive though".
It was installed in "BIOS" (legacy) mode so I just shrank ext4 partition to make space for 512MB vfat, ran grub-install to that and other basic misc stuff you need to do while installing GRUB. Tried to boot it on my system (coreboot+edk2, so UEFI only) and it booted into their desktop first-try.
Then I handed them the drive back and they asked me if updating NixOS would break it and I was like "heck if I know, I don't use NixOS" (technically it shouldn't, but it's really weird and cursed from what I've seen so far so who knows).@elly @mgorny This example is kind of funny because the only use I could ever see of a system like NixOS is for say a server farm, so you deploy on a test machine and if it breaks it's something you can always rollback even by just copying from another machine.
But on a standalone computer? Yeah, nah, don't.
Also NixOS so far is the only distro I've seen where so many users seem like they can't grasp other people not wanting to use it, so it pretty much became a red flag to me. -
@mgorny *thinks about it for a moment*
Oh wow, I think I literally started using Gentoo when I was 18. -
@lanodan @mgorny then I must be even weirder than people realize, I started using Gentoo in 1st year of high-school (age 15/16), ~2013. Then I stopped using it around 2021 and now I'm back again.
That being said, I don't think many teenagers would mess with Gentoo these days. Commodity of cheap but powerful hardware and smartphones really damaged the "hacker spirit" among teenagers, back then you had to somewhat understand computers to use them. These days it's all locked down so that advertising companies can serve you non-stop brainrot and monetize your attention *old woman yells at modern technology* -
@elly @mgorny This example is kind of funny because the only use I could ever see of a system like NixOS is for say a server farm, so you deploy on a test machine and if it breaks it's something you can always rollback even by just copying from another machine.
But on a standalone computer? Yeah, nah, don't.
Also NixOS so far is the only distro I've seen where so many users seem like they can't grasp other people not wanting to use it, so it pretty much became a red flag to me. -
@lanodan @mgorny then I must be even weirder than people realize, I started using Gentoo in 1st year of high-school (age 15/16), ~2013. Then I stopped using it around 2021 and now I'm back again.
That being said, I don't think many teenagers would mess with Gentoo these days. Commodity of cheap but powerful hardware and smartphones really damaged the "hacker spirit" among teenagers, back then you had to somewhat understand computers to use them. These days it's all locked down so that advertising companies can serve you non-stop brainrot and monetize your attention *old woman yells at modern technology*@elly
I think curious enough teens would learn one way or another. However the main obstacle might be that many don't even have computers today. Covid somewhat forced people to get computers because of remote jobs and education, but that's it.
Also I think I was like 14 when I installed Gentoo lol
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@mgorny @lanodan Gentoo at least has (excellent) documentation and is easy to use. Most NixOS users I spoke to had no idea how their system *actually* worked
Just one example: at GPN2023 someone wanted to borrow my PC because their NixOS install wouldn't boot and I was like "uuh... no? i can take a look if you bring your drive though".
It was installed in "BIOS" (legacy) mode so I just shrank ext4 partition to make space for 512MB vfat, ran grub-install to that and other basic misc stuff you need to do while installing GRUB. Tried to boot it on my system (coreboot+edk2, so UEFI only) and it booted into their desktop first-try.
Then I handed them the drive back and they asked me if updating NixOS would break it and I was like "heck if I know, I don't use NixOS" (technically it shouldn't, but it's really weird and cursed from what I've seen so far so who knows).@elly @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me thats exactly the reason why I (a NixOS user) usually dont recommend it. You either find the time and endurance to learn it and where to find info or you'll embarrass yourself or worse: Suffer data loss.
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@TheOneDoc @lanodan @elly @mgorny
My disinterest toward NixOS mostly comes down to the name implying that it's the definitive form of Unix.
>I guess it's for people wo always setup the same very limited environment and at the same time somehow often break there system
I have the same view of atomic/immutable distros promoting themselves as the future while constantly playing up the disadvantages of traditional OSes. -
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@TheOneDoc @lanodan @elly @mgorny
My disinterest toward NixOS mostly comes down to the name implying that it's the definitive form of Unix.
>I guess it's for people wo always setup the same very limited environment and at the same time somehow often break there system
I have the same view of atomic/immutable distros promoting themselves as the future while constantly playing up the disadvantages of traditional OSes.@TheOneDoc @elly @lanodan @mgorny
I just find it funny how spokespeople and users act like every Debian install is one package away from turning into sand. -
@TheOneDoc @elly @lanodan @mgorny
I just find it funny how spokespeople and users act like every Debian install is one package away from turning into sand. -
@lanodan @elly @mgorny @TheOneDoc
My ideal operating system would probably be a minimal Linux/BSD (maybe even 9front) where most of the user-facing applications run in a compatibility layer.
- an MS-DOS layer: because it's a simple environment where you never have to worry about shared libraries
- a Haiku layer, because it's the last semi-popular OS that's entirely focused on desktop users
(Android technically counts, but it's built on 100GB of sourcecode and ruled over by Google)
(macOS may count if it got the Wine treatment)
- also a Windows layer, for the sake of running and reverse-engineering decades of nonfree software
Frankly tired of the FSF treating Monster Truck Madness and Paint Shop Pro like they're from the same plane of mind-numbing evil as Copilot and Recall.
(their view of reverse-engineering binaries seems to be "we don't wanna do it, because it shouldn't be necessary")
