For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi.
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@inthehands I’ve been on a paid plan with Kagi for a year now but I’m not going to renew. Back to DuckDuckGo, I suppose… There’s a distinct lack of search engines that are just… decent.
@inthehands Renewal coming up on Jan 22, so that was impeccable timing. Cancelled
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@inthehands thanks for that. I was already a little disappointed that they were engaging the current hype cycle with the AI answers thing, but this is a deal breaker.
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What I found was _not_ a thoughtful, careful response. What I found was the founder of Kagi saying:
“Politics finding its way into tech is one of the reason we do not have innovation any more.”
Reconsider your partnership with Brave - Kagi Feedback
Brave, as you know, is led by Brendan Eich. s homophobia is so disgusting that he was forced to resign as the leader...
(kagifeedback.org)
Well shit. That is the reddest of red flags.
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@inthehands "We don't want politics in XYZ" is just another way of saying "we like the political situation as it is". Always. There is no "politically neutral" model of interaction. What we should promote is a *cosmopolitan* model, where people can express a variety of political views safely. Some views (e.g. those that deny others' rights including the right to their own opinion) should still have consequences, but most should be able to *coexist*.
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@CptSuperlative @inthehands huh? Vivaldi is a browser, and as far as I can tell they don't offer their own search engine.
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What I found was _not_ a thoughtful, careful response. What I found was the founder of Kagi saying:
“Politics finding its way into tech is one of the reason we do not have innovation any more.”
Reconsider your partnership with Brave - Kagi Feedback
Brave, as you know, is led by Brendan Eich. s homophobia is so disgusting that he was forced to resign as the leader...
(kagifeedback.org)
Well shit. That is the reddest of red flags.
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@inthehands that response has a lot of likes on the kagifeedback thread. Has Kagi received your feedback?
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@CptSuperlative Back to DuckDuckGo for now, very very very open to suggestions.
@inthehands @CptSuperlative They've partnered with Brave before, though. Maybe Searxng?
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@zdl
I’ve found that by sheer numbers, there are plenty of morally concerned techies — they just don’t rush to start companies. -
@inthehands that response has a lot of likes on the kagifeedback thread. Has Kagi received your feedback?
@petermilley Yes, with my cancellation.
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@inthehands "We don't want politics in XYZ" is just another way of saying "we like the political situation as it is". Always. There is no "politically neutral" model of interaction. What we should promote is a *cosmopolitan* model, where people can express a variety of political views safely. Some views (e.g. those that deny others' rights including the right to their own opinion) should still have consequences, but most should be able to *coexist*.
@Obdurodon I mostly agree.
On top of that, I want a model where people actually think about their actions, and listen to others about those consequences.
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@inthehands Renewal coming up on Jan 22, so that was impeccable timing. Cancelled
@finestructure I’d renewed on Dec 28. Sigh.
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@codedude@masto.ai I mean, you might not be wrong — and Google in particular has gone downhill fast in recent years. But at least with them there’s a sense that they think they need to have reasons for things, not this “I”m a safe driver because I don’t look at the road” businesses.
And yes, some companies really are better than others. Google & MS are still ethically miles better than Facebook, for example.
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@mastodonmigration @inthehands young and privileged. I always cringe when I see phrases like this, especially as they're usually uttered by white able-bodied heterosexual cis-men. Someone for whom marginalization is an abstract idea rather than a lived reality.
To complain about politics "entering" tech and wishing for it to be "politics-free" is an obscene luxury. For someone marginalized that's in all likelihood not even an option, as our mere existence is already political.
Blergh
@alexocado @mastodonmigration QFT: “our mere existence is often already political”
Yup yup. And that’s why “I just stay out of politics” sounds to me like “I just don’t look at the road when I’m driving.”
Sigh.
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@briellebouquet@queer.party @JessTheUnstill Yeah, you really do have a point. It probably isn’t a word that can be rescued.
Your reply makes me realize that the cultural baggage of the word “politics” — connotations of being distasteful, dirtied, venal, low-minded — serves as a protective shield for power in many spheres. “No politics” serves as an easy off-switch for any discussion of human impact, a way to believe covering one’s eyes makes things disappear.
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@JessTheUnstill @briellebouquet@queer.party Yes, that does invoke a much better connotations. “No ethics” has a very different flavor in our cultural context than “No politics.”
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@JessTheUnstill @briellebouquet@queer.party Yes, that does invoke a much better connotations. “No ethics” has a very different flavor in our cultural context than “No politics.”
@inthehands @JessTheUnstill @briellebouquet@queer.party I wonder if that word is unrescuable too though... [mumbling something about games journalism...]
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@Itty53@mstdn.social @inthehands yeah the angry goose is an excellent one, its something I've often seen used well to call out unspoken goals in political action.
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Search is a wasteland right now. Alas. And there are no good choices.
But look, if I’m going to •pay• a company money for search, it needs to be a company run by ethically mature people. If and when Kagi is run by such people, maybe I’ll give that paid plan another go. For now, well, maybe these childish people will blunder their way to maturity and maybe they’ll just blunder, but either way, they won’t be doing it on my dime.
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@inthehands Not Duck?
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@inthehands I discovered kagi not too long ago, and was really happy.
Now I'm not, and wonder what I'm going to use for search now...
@jollyorc @inthehands Copilot????
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@phiofx@hachyderm.io @inthehands Mozilla is moving away from their browser focus, their head has said.
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Think you are right. No idea about this particular case, but imagine the founder(s) to be a technical sort, maybe kind of unsophisticated, perhaps young. Coded up a cool thing and got it going. Now, things change. They start to be approached by some real sharks who puff them up and tell them how big it could get. They are completely unprepared to play in this league, and boom it's done.
@mastodonmigration @inthehands He's not young. Based on his bio, he's in the 45-50 age range.
"I started my journey in tech in 1983 with C-64 and Elite"
Vladimir Prelovac
Vladimir Prelovac - Founder/CEO Kagi Inc. Builder of user-centric products and a dad of three.
(vladimir.prelovac.com)
He's run several different businesses over the past couple of decades.
He is not young and unsophisticated.
