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  3. For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi.

For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi.

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  • adrienne@social.treehouse.systemsA adrienne@social.treehouse.systems

    @blakereid @inthehands Vivaldi is FANTASTIC and pretty committed to privacy.

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    #188

    @blakereid @inthehands They have made a couple of concessions to Brands(tm) that i don't love (most prominently the recent "direct match" results in the address bar), but a) it's easy to disable that in settings (and in general the browser is just INSANELY configurable via settings), and b) they do have a reasonable user story about why it's a good feature for nontechnical/inexpert users -- realistically, if a nontechnical user types "Samsung" into their address bar, for instance, the Samsung website IS probably the best/safest place to send them.

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    • inthehands@hachyderm.ioI inthehands@hachyderm.io

      @alter_kaker @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative I’d even be happy with this as a non-API-driven, non-dynamic, manually authored thing that people just toss on the personal blogs they’re now resurrecting.

      Web comics folks often still do this. Note for example QC’s “other good comics” links smack dab in the right margin, taking up space on every page: https://www.questionablecontent.net

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      #189

      @inthehands

      Good search, for a community-driven collection of links: https://crimethinc.com/search

      Double whammy!

      Another excellent resource: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/

      Much better than Yahoo.

      @alter_kaker @glightly@mastodon.social @CptSuperlative

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      • mciesla@mstdn.socialM mciesla@mstdn.social

        @inthehands Haven't seen it in replies, so here's a search engine I use: https://ecosia.org
        They are based in Germany, use search results from Bing and Google and plant trees for your searches. There are ads, but I found them very unitrusive and you have an option to turn off Google's cookies. The search results are, in my experience, comparable to Google, but with less pushy "ad" results

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        @mciesla @inthehands is there an option to turn off ads in Ecosia aside from an ad blocker?

        I'm allergic to ads, and I was looking at Kagi specifically because they offer an ad-free paid product. I'm willing to pay for stuff, just not willing to give my eyes and my data.

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        • mciesla@mstdn.socialM mciesla@mstdn.social

          @inthehands Haven't seen it in replies, so here's a search engine I use: https://ecosia.org
          They are based in Germany, use search results from Bing and Google and plant trees for your searches. There are ads, but I found them very unitrusive and you have an option to turn off Google's cookies. The search results are, in my experience, comparable to Google, but with less pushy "ad" results

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          @mciesla @inthehands I've posted this so much this week I had to bookmark it lol https://www.eu-startups.com/2021/01/ecosia-and-brave-partner-to-offer-most-private-and-ethical-search-browser-combination/

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          • isveryloud@mstdn.caI isveryloud@mstdn.ca

            @mciesla @inthehands is there an option to turn off ads in Ecosia aside from an ad blocker?

            I'm allergic to ads, and I was looking at Kagi specifically because they offer an ad-free paid product. I'm willing to pay for stuff, just not willing to give my eyes and my data.

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            @isVeryLoud @inthehands Unfortunately, no, at least as far as I'm aware. It's their source of income, which funds the tree planting projects.

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            • georges@hachyderm.ioG georges@hachyderm.io

              @mciesla @inthehands I've posted this so much this week I had to bookmark it lol https://www.eu-startups.com/2021/01/ecosia-and-brave-partner-to-offer-most-private-and-ethical-search-browser-combination/

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              @georges @inthehands I wouldn't touch Brave even with a long stick (re: past and current leadership controversies, plus Firefox caters to my use cases much better), but I'm glad Ecosia is getting some more recognition 😁

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              • mciesla@mstdn.socialM mciesla@mstdn.social

                @isVeryLoud @inthehands Unfortunately, no, at least as far as I'm aware. It's their source of income, which funds the tree planting projects.

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                @mciesla @inthehands unfortunate. I'm sure they could plant many more native plants if they just took my money 😛

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                • isveryloud@mstdn.caI isveryloud@mstdn.ca

                  @mciesla @inthehands unfortunate. I'm sure they could plant many more native plants if they just took my money 😛

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                  @isVeryLoud @inthehands That is certainly true 🌳I am not in a position to be paying for a search engine, so I haven't ever looked into it that much, but it never jumped out at me even while looking through their donations page

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                  • mciesla@mstdn.socialM mciesla@mstdn.social

                    @georges @inthehands I wouldn't touch Brave even with a long stick (re: past and current leadership controversies, plus Firefox caters to my use cases much better), but I'm glad Ecosia is getting some more recognition 😁

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                    @mciesla @inthehands agreed on the point of firefox, it took a few tries to stick but it's become my daily driver (outside of work, where I use ungoogled-chrome).

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                    • viq@social.hackerspace.plV viq@social.hackerspace.pl

                      @CptSuperlative
                      Thank you. I guess I can see the appeal and decreased resource usage compared to keeping all those open in separate windows 🤔
                      @inthehands

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                      @viq @CptSuperlative It's also less unwieldy than having a bunch of pinned tabs all in a row, especially if you only want to look at one set of pinned tabs while you're working and a different set when you're relaxing at home, and maybe another for your hobbies.

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                      • trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.netT trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net

                        @viq @CptSuperlative It's also less unwieldy than having a bunch of pinned tabs all in a row, especially if you only want to look at one set of pinned tabs while you're working and a different set when you're relaxing at home, and maybe another for your hobbies.

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                        @trishalynn
                        Ah, for that I use multiple profiles 😅
                        @CptSuperlative

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                        • viq@social.hackerspace.plV viq@social.hackerspace.pl

                          @trishalynn
                          Ah, for that I use multiple profiles 😅
                          @CptSuperlative

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                          @viq @CptSuperlative That's what I did in Chrome, too. Firefox can do that?

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                          • trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.netT trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net

                            @viq @CptSuperlative That's what I did in Chrome, too. Firefox can do that?

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                            @trishalynn
                            Yes https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profiles-where-firefox-stores-user-data
                            @CptSuperlative

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                            • viq@social.hackerspace.plV viq@social.hackerspace.pl

                              @trishalynn
                              Yes https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profiles-where-firefox-stores-user-data
                              @CptSuperlative

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                              @viq @CptSuperlative Ooh, thanks for the info. Now there's one less reason for me to miss Chrome. However it doesn't look like there's a one-button solution for either opening or switching between profiles the way there was with Chrome. Any suggestions a hack for that?

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                              • trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.netT trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net

                                @viq @CptSuperlative Ooh, thanks for the info. Now there's one less reason for me to miss Chrome. However it doesn't look like there's a one-button solution for either opening or switching between profiles the way there was with Chrome. Any suggestions a hack for that?

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                                @trishalynn
                                I haven't really used Chrome, so you'll need to tell me how it works there.
                                The way I used to have it is to have a separate shortcut that starts a specific profile.
                                Now I use QubesOS, where basically each profile lives in a completely separate VM 🤣
                                @CptSuperlative

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                                • viq@social.hackerspace.plV viq@social.hackerspace.pl

                                  @trishalynn
                                  I haven't really used Chrome, so you'll need to tell me how it works there.
                                  The way I used to have it is to have a separate shortcut that starts a specific profile.
                                  Now I use QubesOS, where basically each profile lives in a completely separate VM 🤣
                                  @CptSuperlative

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                                  @viq @CptSuperlative Oh, Qubes? Fugghedaboutit. My spouse complains about Qubes all the time.

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                                  • trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.netT trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net

                                    @viq @CptSuperlative Oh, Qubes? Fugghedaboutit. My spouse complains about Qubes all the time.

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                                    @trishalynn
                                    It's not without quirks and drawbacks, but they are known and acceptable and less messing around with than when I was trying to achieve separation on a "normal" system. It's not for everyone, it's not for everything. But if I have a separate system for watching videos and gaming, then I very much like it for everyday use.
                                    @CptSuperlative

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                                    • viq@social.hackerspace.plV viq@social.hackerspace.pl

                                      @trishalynn
                                      It's not without quirks and drawbacks, but they are known and acceptable and less messing around with than when I was trying to achieve separation on a "normal" system. It's not for everyone, it's not for everything. But if I have a separate system for watching videos and gaming, then I very much like it for everyday use.
                                      @CptSuperlative

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                                      @trishalynn
                                      Though I bet there are less invasive ways to get multiple profiles easy to use 😂 I just never felt the need to research them, because I have a waaaay overkill & over engineered method to do so 😂
                                      @CptSuperlative

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                                        @inthehands thank you for posting this. "give kagi a focused trial and consider a sub" was on my near term todo list, but this information changes things for me.

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                                          @louis@emacs.ch @donaldball What •this• previously paying Kagi thought he was paying for was:

                                          - decent search results
                                          - without ads
                                          - without privacy abuses
                                          - without appeasing authoritarians
                                          - without ignoring human impact
                                          - and, in general, with greater concern for ethics than Google has shown of late

                                          When they marketed themselves as “humanizing the web” — their term — that’s certainly the picture I got.

                                          Not “search quality at any cost, nothing else matters.”

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