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Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments.

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  • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

    Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
    #AltTxt #AltText

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    @Yehuda as a person on the spectrum, I find it helpful to understand the intended messages, or the joke.

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    • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

      Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
      #AltTxt #AltText

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      @Yehuda ⌛ We're sighted and love alt text. Sometimes what you're supposed to be looking at isn't clear, sometimes the description makes the joke click, etc. We don't post or boost images without it.

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      • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

        ok wow, 613 poll responses in the first 60 mins - Mvto!

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        @Yehuda Taryag!

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        • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

          Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
          #AltTxt #AltText

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          @Yehuda Alt text very often clarifies the thing I was missing about an in-joke or meme.

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          • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

            Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
            #AltTxt #AltText

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            #81

            @Yehuda I don't even have talkback or speech recognition services in my phone ☺️

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            • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

              Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
              #AltTxt #AltText

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              #82

              I can't read this post... alr lemme get the alt text... wait, I still can't read... *puts on glasses* Ohhh... Wait am I visually impaired or not?

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              • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                #AltTxt #AltText

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                @Yehuda
                Mastodon is a bad exemple of alt text : it mixes description, legend and alternative text.
                Alternative text must be used -as it has been designed for- as an alternative for people who need it, not like a creative extra text field for jokes or exclusives informations. The role of alt text is precisely to reduce the understanding gap between peoples, not to expand it.
                1/2

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                • gub@framapiaf.orgG gub@framapiaf.org

                  @Yehuda
                  Mastodon is a bad exemple of alt text : it mixes description, legend and alternative text.
                  Alternative text must be used -as it has been designed for- as an alternative for people who need it, not like a creative extra text field for jokes or exclusives informations. The role of alt text is precisely to reduce the understanding gap between peoples, not to expand it.
                  1/2

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                  #84

                  @Yehuda
                  With Mastodon, if you want all people have an information, write it in the message, please.
                  If you want to do two-step jokes, use CW or reply to your own message.
                  2/2

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                  • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                    Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                    #AltTxt #AltText

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                    #85

                    @Yehuda more promising than my old poll results.

                    This was from years ago though. And tiny but close (to me) sample size. Hopefully folk’s stance has improved since.

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                    Colin (@colinstu@birdbutt.com)

                    Attached: 1 image A little saddened by the poll results. Alt text isn't only for those with vision problems! I sometimes provide more info or context to stuff in the pic, as it's kinda awkward to try to describe 4 pics in the main body of post. Also if I am describing what is seen, I try to do so in a way that would make sense if one couldn't see, so maybe it’s a lil awkward to read sometimes. But anyway, try reading folks’ alt text / desc more! Uncover a whole new world.

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                    • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                      Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                      #AltTxt #AltText

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                      @Yehuda

                      The primary impact of an image is visual. It delivers and unpacks in an instant a universe of cultural connotations, a fist of meaning. So much so that all I can describe in alt-text is my impression of the image. I try to describe it as neutrally as possible but it's only ever going be a subjective impression with the details foregrounded that are most important to me. Being autistic doesn't help, because I'm faced with a plethora of competing choices.

                      So I rarely look at alt-text.

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                      • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                        Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                        #AltTxt #AltText

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                        @Yehuda I ticked "not impaired and often read", although I don't know that I'd say I often read it - more that I read it when it helps - if there's a joke I'm not getting, or something I fell I'm not spotting. So even if I don't often read it deliberately, when I do, it's massively helpful.

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                        • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                          Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                          #AltTxt #AltText

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                          @Yehuda alt-text is important and can be brilliant. Some, often auto-generated, is incorrect though.

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                          • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                            Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                            #AltTxt #AltText

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                            @Yehuda Surprising results up to now (more than 3:1 in favor of reading alt text for seeing people, closer to 1:1 for visually impaired people)

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                            • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                              Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                              #AltTxt #AltText

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                              @Yehuda Extremely often there are additional message there. Or explanations. Like, it says this is a photo of pop group xyz who I've never heard of. Or explains a pun. Often people add an extra joke.

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                              • erikcats@dice.campE erikcats@dice.camp

                                @bigtuffal @Yehuda same here. Plus it's an act of mindfulness for me not to spam socials with images but instead try to communicate why this is worth looking at

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                                @erikcats @bigtuffal @Yehuda

                                Just so. Which part of this picture do I want the onlooker to focus on.

                                Plus some alt text is hilarious. Not mine 🙃 but I do like hunting for Easter eggs

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                                • mwt@mastodon.nzM mwt@mastodon.nz

                                  @Yehuda I'm borderline visually impaired insofar as I'm old and often looking at tiny images on my phone screen, so I read alt text to find out what I'm looking at. It's especially helpful if the image has text (cartoons etc).

                                  When I write alt text I mostly aim for context rather than literal visual description of everything in the picture.

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                                  @mwt @Yehuda

                                  Yes, alt text for an image with writing is a blessing for my predbyopia

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                                  • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                                    Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                                    #AltTxt #AltText

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                                    @Yehuda

                                    Sometimes it is easier to read the transcription in the alt-text than the text in the image. Also I can copy the alt-text in a foreign language and get a machine translation.

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                                    • yehuda@turtleisland.socialY yehuda@turtleisland.social

                                      Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
                                      #AltTxt #AltText

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                                      @Yehuda mostly i use it when a) I don’t get the joke and hope there’s an explanation, b) I don’t get the text because it’s in a different language but alt text can be translated.

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                                      • helenisenough@masto.aiH helenisenough@masto.ai

                                        @erikcats @bigtuffal @Yehuda

                                        Just so. Which part of this picture do I want the onlooker to focus on.

                                        Plus some alt text is hilarious. Not mine 🙃 but I do like hunting for Easter eggs

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                                        @Helenisenough @bigtuffal @Yehuda i will at times be the easter Bunny 😂

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                                        • cassandra@ottawa.placeC cassandra@ottawa.place

                                          @equalitysiren @Yehuda Yeah, I'm now wondering that too.

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                                          @Cassandra @equalitysiren @Yehuda Yes, screen readers actually do read the poll choices.

                                          Additionally for screen reader users saying I'm a screen reader user And I skip reading alt text is very rare if not inpossible as screen readers are setup to present the images with alt text and skip images without it by default.

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