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Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

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  • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

    Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

    Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

    Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

    No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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    @carlrichell I think this is a start at least. The issue is what counts as open source? The real fix is to make parents be parents. They need to be held responsible for what their children do. It's crazy that it's not part of the conversation at all.

    We would charge parents with negligence and neglect if they were to leave their kids alone in a bad neighborhood. That is essentially what happens when you give them an Internet enabled device.

    We are making corporations arbiters of behavior and actions instead of individuals.

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    • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

      Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

      Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

      Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

      No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

      golemwire@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
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      RE: https://fosstodon.org/@carlrichell/116201429639953387

      Actually going to meet a co-author of that California bill is such a great move to make.

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      • cmdln@thecommandline.socialC cmdln@thecommandline.social

        @carlrichell Thank you for working on this!

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        @cmdln @carlrichell Bravo!

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        • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

          Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

          Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

          Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

          No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

          chriscochrun@mastodon.onlineC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @carlrichell that is awesome news! I know it isn't a clear answer, but thank you for moving the ball forward in this battle. Anywhere our voice can be heard we need to be loud enough.

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          • bhhaskin@social.bitsofsimplicity.comB bhhaskin@social.bitsofsimplicity.com

            @carlrichell I think this is a start at least. The issue is what counts as open source? The real fix is to make parents be parents. They need to be held responsible for what their children do. It's crazy that it's not part of the conversation at all.

            We would charge parents with negligence and neglect if they were to leave their kids alone in a bad neighborhood. That is essentially what happens when you give them an Internet enabled device.

            We are making corporations arbiters of behavior and actions instead of individuals.

            negativek@infosec.exchangeN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @bhhaskin @carlrichell I think the EU has a software liability approach that could be used as an (just one) example. If you're not making money with it, you're okay. Paraphrased poorly.

            It feels like the idea is that profit motives need to come with more responsibility. Maybe that can be adapted.

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            • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

              Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

              Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

              Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

              No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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              @carlrichell I expect that even if you're successful, it'll only be temporary. Eventually someone will pass a law without the exception.

              This may also be a token effort, to try and make an unpopular law more easy to pass.

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              • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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                @carlrichell An additional reason to amend these age attestation bills is that Linux runs in products that people don't think are computers - like a sound system I have - it can play internet radio, etc., and has a processor inside running Linux, which saves the manufacturer whatever some other company would charge for an embedded OS.

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                • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                  Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                  Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                  Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                  No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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                  @carlrichell Thank you.

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                  • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                    Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                    Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                    Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                    No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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                    @carlrichell Hopefully the exclusion will include the UEFI too even though most are closed source (I know accounts aren't made in the UEFI but they can be password protected).

                    Edit: these laws just shouldn't exist in general, no matter what exclusions exist.

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                    • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                      Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                      Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                      Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                      No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

                      ubu@floss.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @carlrichell If we can help from over here of course we will.

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                      • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                        Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                        Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                        Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                        No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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                        @carlrichell Nice work! I've been bugging my own reps, but haven't even gotten a response from them so far.
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                        • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                          Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                          Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                          Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                          No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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                          @carlrichell It's good news for open source if that exception is made, but still bad news in general to force devices to do age-attestation in the first place.

                          Then there are thorny issues like who decides what is open source? Do we really expect Apple and Google and Microsoft (likely the ones behind these bills in the first place) not to fight such an amendment tooth and nail?

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                          • carlrichell@fosstodon.orgC carlrichell@fosstodon.org

                            Today, I met with Colorado Senator Matt Ball, co-author of Colorado OS Age Attestation Bill SB26-051.

                            Sen. Ball suggested excluding open source software from the bill. This appears to be a real possibility.

                            Amendments are expected for the CA age attestation bill. It's my hope we can move fast enough to influence excluding open source in the CA bill amendments.

                            No illusions, it's an uphill battle, but we have an open door to advocate for the open source community.

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                            @carlrichell great initiative from you! Thanks a lot!

                            (but such laws should really not get established in the first place)

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