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Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

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  • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

    @bit @simon_lucy @thomholwerda Probably for the same reason there's a women category in chess: in a game that is very dominated by men, having a women only category helps bring women to the game by giving them a space. Women players can play in the women or the general category, I assume it's the same with darts.

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    @brunogirin @simon_lucy @thomholwerda I see now, that makes sense.

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    • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

      Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

      Darts.

      The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

      Again, let me reiterate: darts.

      Darts.

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      @thomholwerda
      It's such an insult to ciswomen, who are really not that pathetic and incompetent.

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      • femme_mal@mstdn.socialF femme_mal@mstdn.social

        @thomholwerda Wait. Does this mean I've been playing darts wrong since I could hold a dart?

        Am I supposed to use my uterus to wield and throw the dart?? And if I don't have a uterus I can't play darts competitively?

        What if I had a hysterectomy - am I no longer able to throw a dart?

        Jeebus, this is just the stupidest TERF-y bullshit. The contortions of logic they use to prevent a small number of humans from participating fully is utter nonsense.

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        Husband: I thought we were going to play darts so you could practice before your women's dart match.

        Me: Yeah, I'm ready when you are.

        Husband: Uh... that technique is, um, new to me. Doesn't it hurt? *eyeing my crotch*

        Me: Yeah, it hurts like a mothertrucker but apparently competitive women's darts requires a vagina and uterus to participate.

        Husband: Does that mean I have to throw with my penis for men's darts? How would I grip a dart if I'm cut? *winces*

        Me: You got me. *kegels to throw*

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        • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

          Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

          Darts.

          The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

          Again, let me reiterate: darts.

          Darts.

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          @thomholwerda Serious question: there are gendered darts leagues? (Why?)

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          • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

            Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

            Darts.

            The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

            Again, let me reiterate: darts.

            Darts.

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            @thomholwerda It all comes back to Janice Raymond - they won't stop till trans people don't exist and there is no possibility of anyone ever being able to Transition ever again. The cornerstone of being a terf is being wedded to a goal that is literally a final solution.

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            • kgmadee2@mathstodon.xyzK kgmadee2@mathstodon.xyz

              @craigjarrettuk@mastodon.social wait, you're serious? Let me block you real quick

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              @kgMadee2 the slop images he posts omg. Nothing is value is lost.

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              • ali@river.geek.nzA ali@river.geek.nz

                @thomholwerda It all comes back to Janice Raymond - they won't stop till trans people don't exist and there is no possibility of anyone ever being able to Transition ever again. The cornerstone of being a terf is being wedded to a goal that is literally a final solution.

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                @Ali @thomholwerda

                These people cannot win. They physically cannot. People cannot mandate my medical condition out of existence just because it offends their snowflake sensitivities

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                • harriettmb@toot.walesH harriettmb@toot.wales

                  @thomholwerda Also, chess, park runs, darts, snooker/pool (don’t @ me about the difference - I don’t care).

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                  @HarriettMB @thomholwerda

                  Meanwhile even CIS women were banned from that Olympic shooting sport after a woman won the mixed event.

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                  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                    @bithive @thomholwerda cos men don't wanna be beaten by a girl.

                    No really.

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                    @quixoticgeek

                    @bithive @thomholwerda

                    It was very interesting to me knowing the women's grandmaster chess champion is also a theoretical physicist

                    Where Magnus is just a chess grand master

                    Also unfortunate that I can't remember her name.

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                    • lordcaramac@discordian.socialL lordcaramac@discordian.social

                      @thomholwerda Why the fuck is darts even gender segregated in the first place? Probably only because men can't stand to lose to women.

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                      @LordCaramac @thomholwerda nailed it

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                      • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                        Look, banning trans women from sports is total bullshit, but at the very least you can see why hundreds of years of propaganda and misogyny in sports would make people assume trans women have an unfair advantage. It's bullshit of course, but at least I can follow that flawed logic.

                        But darts? Motherfucking darts? You're throwing objects weighing 12-32 g (depending on preference) at a board designed specifically to be penetrated by darts. Fucking children play this game.

                        If you ever needed proof this was never about protecting women, just think of how these nazis are banning trans women from darts.

                        DARTS.

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                        @thomholwerda this would be the perfect opportunity for David Mitchell to weigh in on the side of trans women but also a great opportunity for him to ruin his legacy utterly in my eyes by going to the terf side so I am terrified of him making any comment whatsoever.

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                        • nagaram@gts.thinkstoomuch.netN nagaram@gts.thinkstoomuch.net

                          @quixoticgeek

                          @bithive @thomholwerda

                          It was very interesting to me knowing the women's grandmaster chess champion is also a theoretical physicist

                          Where Magnus is just a chess grand master

                          Also unfortunate that I can't remember her name.

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                          @nagaram @bithive @thomholwerda Judith Polgár?

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                          • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                            Look, banning trans women from sports is total bullshit, but at the very least you can see why hundreds of years of propaganda and misogyny in sports would make people assume trans women have an unfair advantage. It's bullshit of course, but at least I can follow that flawed logic.

                            But darts? Motherfucking darts? You're throwing objects weighing 12-32 g (depending on preference) at a board designed specifically to be penetrated by darts. Fucking children play this game.

                            If you ever needed proof this was never about protecting women, just think of how these nazis are banning trans women from darts.

                            DARTS.

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                            @thomholwerda it's also happened in chess, btw. Go figure.

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                            • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                              Trans women have been banned from women's darts.

                              Darts.

                              The ban is based on some English woman's "study". The woman in question is a known TERF.

                              Again, let me reiterate: darts.

                              Darts.

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                              @thomholwerda

                              All TERFs are fascists.

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                                @nusher

                                She is not excluded from competing against cis-men (and others) in open events.

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                                A transgender darts player says she’s “not done fighting” after the sport’s governing body enacted rules barring transgender women from women’s tournaments.

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                                • thomholwerda@exquisite.socialT thomholwerda@exquisite.social

                                  Look, banning trans women from sports is total bullshit, but at the very least you can see why hundreds of years of propaganda and misogyny in sports would make people assume trans women have an unfair advantage. It's bullshit of course, but at least I can follow that flawed logic.

                                  But darts? Motherfucking darts? You're throwing objects weighing 12-32 g (depending on preference) at a board designed specifically to be penetrated by darts. Fucking children play this game.

                                  If you ever needed proof this was never about protecting women, just think of how these nazis are banning trans women from darts.

                                  DARTS.

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                                  @thomholwerda it's not at all the point, but it makes me think about that time I read AWAB have a biological advantage as snipers.

                                  Darts.

                                  Just ludicrous. 🤷

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                                  • lordcaramac@discordian.socialL lordcaramac@discordian.social

                                    @thomholwerda Why the fuck is darts even gender segregated in the first place? Probably only because men can't stand to lose to women.

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                                    @LordCaramac @thomholwerda It's not exactly gender segregated, in that there are no specific men's competitions, men and women compete alongside each other in the big tournaments - and indeed just a few weeks ago Beau Greaves became the first woman to win a major ranking championship.

                                    I assume the rationale for having a separate women's competition is the same as with snooker (a game I'm rather more familiar with): because the game is culturally so dominated by cis men, having distinct women's events allows talented women to develop their game in a less overwhelmingly male environment. And again, the best female snooker players do compete on the world tour, which is not segregated.

                                    (I'm not aware of any decisions being made regarding trans players in snooker, but I might be wrong).

                                    In that respect, it's like having separate competitions for young competitors.

                                    However, that makes banning trans players even *more* absurd. Because there's no sense in which sex-assigned-at-birth can impact upon ability, women's tournaments are solely about development, and clearly trans/nb/other people would benefit from that every bit as much as cis women.

                                    If the whole point is to allow darts (and snooker) to be accessible outside of a highly masculine environment, then it makes sense to simply exclude cis men and let everyone else compete. What they're doing is excluding trans people purely for the sake of excluding trans people, and it's appalling.

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                                    • lordcaramac@discordian.socialL lordcaramac@discordian.social

                                      @thomholwerda Why the fuck is darts even gender segregated in the first place? Probably only because men can't stand to lose to women.

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                                      @LordCaramac

                                      Different point as it takes gender separation as a given, but same sentiment:

                                      "Why were women banned from football? ...

                                      There were worries that the success of women's football would damage the popularity of the men's game once the war was over."

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                                      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                        @thomholwerda and chess.

                                        That great bastion of physical prowess. Chess.

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                                        @quixoticgeek @thomholwerda why is Chess even gender-segregated?

                                        And if it is, why isn't there gender specific Nobel prize? If it has to be absurdist, it should be so to the end.

                                        How about gender specific United Nations? It's a useless organization anyway, so why not two (or more)

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                                        • avuko@infosec.exchangeA avuko@infosec.exchange

                                          @ra6bit @thomholwerda

                                          1. Why tf is there “women’s chess”?
                                          2. why tf can’t trans people compete?

                                          But I’m honestly still stuck at 1.

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                                          @avuko

                                          Men don't want to lose against women.

                                          Society has less encouragement for women to enter competitive sports ➡️ fewer opportunities ➡️ less practice, sponsorship etc.

                                          So a girl would have to run with the boys for equal development and education.

                                          Back to top.

                                          @ra6bit @thomholwerda

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