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finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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    @loriemerson yeah that’s a fantasy list that doesn’t exist anymore lol

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    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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      @loriemerson wow, current vibe-coded software tools fail almost every one of these standards.

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      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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        @loriemerson

        I like to go to original sources, so here's a link via @Kottke.org...

        https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

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        Nine Rules for Evaluating New Technology

        In 1987, Wendell Berry wrote an essay called Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer. In it, he outlined his standards for adopting new technology in his work

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        kottke.org (kottke.org)

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        • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

          @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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          @aakoskin @loriemerson

          "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

          For a simple list like the above. I agree.

          I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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          • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

            @aakoskin @loriemerson

            "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

            For a simple list like the above. I agree.

            I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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            @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

            Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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            • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

              @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

              Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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              @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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              • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                  @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                  I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                  Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                  @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                  It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                  I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                    @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                    @loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin

                    Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).

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                    • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                      @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                      It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                      I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                      @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                      Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                      Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                        @loriemerson the Wendellian laws should be international law

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                        • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                          @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                          Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                          Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                          @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                          "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                          That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                          • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                            finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                            @loriemerson Reading this makes me regret leaving behind my vintage copy of "The Unsettling of America" when I had to move. Berry is wonderful.

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