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finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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    @loriemerson the sad thing is that, today, if someone tried selling something based on these principles they would go out of business because people are only driven by price.

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    • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

      @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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      @aakoskin @loriemerson hey, this reply sucks

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      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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        @loriemerson
        Now obsessing about Mr Berry's rule #9 and the current run of tech bros obsessed with "disruption" as some sort of positive thing.

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        • mossyfoot@pdx.socialM mossyfoot@pdx.social

          @loriemerson the sad thing is that, today, if someone tried selling something based on these principles they would go out of business because people are only driven by price.

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          @mossyfoot I don't even know if they could even get such a business started in the first place! we are slowly heading toward an anti-capitalist revolution of some kind...I just hope it doesn't take too many more global catastrophes to happen

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          • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

            @mossyfoot I don't even know if they could even get such a business started in the first place! we are slowly heading toward an anti-capitalist revolution of some kind...I just hope it doesn't take too many more global catastrophes to happen

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            @loriemerson agreed.

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              @aakoskin @loriemerson hey, this reply sucks

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              @redoak @aakoskin

              Ironically, and unsurprisingly, this clownish troll posts images without alt text.

              I really hate people.

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              • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                @loriemerson funny thing, this resembles in part the requirements for new drugs

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                • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                  finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                  @loriemerson I love the idea of the body's energy being solar energy

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                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                    @loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?

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                    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                      @loriemerson Based on this brilliant wisdom, I should look this person up.

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                      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                        @loriemerson I'd like to see some examples of good and bad tech based on these principles. I assume a solar-powered calculator is a good tech.

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                        • earthshine@masto.hackers.townE earthshine@masto.hackers.town

                          @loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?

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                          @earthshine @loriemerson I think they mean it quite literally. The energy in us comes from our food, which gets it from the sun. Wind energy is also from the sun since it's the heat differences that drive the wind. If you take that idea to extremes fossil fuels are also solar but I don't think that's what they meant 🙂

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                          • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                            finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                            @loriemerson

                            How far back do you have to go, to find a time when many people would have agreed that slavery fell in the category of "family and community relationships", and was even among the most important? Technological innovation disrupted that, by separating the processing of chemical energy into mechanical work from the human body. I for one have no desire to go back.

                            #atomicpowertothepeople

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                            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                              @loriemerson wonderful! Is there a website with more information and some context? Or a book?

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                                @AH_99 e-SUVs are out, e-bikes very much in

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                                • publius@mastodon.sdf.orgP publius@mastodon.sdf.org

                                  @loriemerson

                                  How far back do you have to go, to find a time when many people would have agreed that slavery fell in the category of "family and community relationships", and was even among the most important? Technological innovation disrupted that, by separating the processing of chemical energy into mechanical work from the human body. I for one have no desire to go back.

                                  #atomicpowertothepeople

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                                  @publius Slavery was recognized at the time it was practiced as an abomination by all decent people.

                                  History classes just teach the awful people of their times as though they were the only ones whose opinions counted.

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                                  • earthshine@masto.hackers.townE earthshine@masto.hackers.town

                                    @loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?

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                                    @earthshine @loriemerson Yeah, powered by burning wood or vegetation, or a combustion engine running pure ethanol..maybe even incinerating mountains of bioplastics... 🙂

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                                    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                      @loriemerson This is a great list!!

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                                      • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

                                        @loriemerson This is a great list!!

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                                        Wendell Berry rocks.

                                        @ai6yr @loriemerson

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                                        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                          @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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