If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
@drahardja YEa, when folks who actually teach math criticize Khan Academy (for little things like saying 2 + 2 is 2) we get told "Make your own, it's free, you should be GRATEFUL!!!"
How about listening?
SO many folks in tech have savior attitudes. It's like charity: Hey, even if these clothes we put in teh charity bin have holes and stuff, we imagine you being grateful for the warmth. Let's do better and ... do soemthing about the inequities while we're at it. -
If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
@drahardja How many people who respond "fork it yourself" has forked anything themselves?
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@drahardja How many people who respond "fork it yourself" has forked anything themselves?
@datarama Not that it should matter, right? It could be someone who is adept at it, or is even actively maintaining a large project. The fact that THEY can do it doesn’t mean that EVERYONE should do it.
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
@drahardja This.
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@drahardja YEa, when folks who actually teach math criticize Khan Academy (for little things like saying 2 + 2 is 2) we get told "Make your own, it's free, you should be GRATEFUL!!!"
How about listening?
SO many folks in tech have savior attitudes. It's like charity: Hey, even if these clothes we put in teh charity bin have holes and stuff, we imagine you being grateful for the warmth. Let's do better and ... do soemthing about the inequities while we're at it.@geonz Right. The same people who argue that more things should be free (anticapitalist) will sometimes also argue that free things should not be held to any quality standards (capitalist). You can’t have it both ways, leftie.
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@datarama Not that it should matter, right? It could be someone who is adept at it, or is even actively maintaining a large project. The fact that THEY can do it doesn’t mean that EVERYONE should do it.
@drahardja Not in principle, obviously, but my own experience is that pretty much everyone making that suggestion can't or won't do it themselves anyway.
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
@drahardja the entire point of FOSS is that it serves the best interests of the user and community. If you don't value feedback from your users, then you've missed the entire point of building something free and open.
Big Tech wants to trap us to exploit us. Devs with a saviour complex are cut from the same cloth.
The value of FOSS was never the code, it has always been the community. Developer ego is a footgun when you really care about building something worthwhile.
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
@drahardja And how many people who say, "fork it yourself," have ever actually *done* so?
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
@drahardja FOSS projects need to value user feedback, otherwise you might as well be serving just yourself. Yes.
But I'd be very hesitant to call maintainers.. abusers? Often there will be legitimate disagreements about the direction of a project, and then it is completely fair that those who do the maintenance get to have the final say.
If a user doesn't like that, they'll have to keep using older versions or a fork. That's just how it is.
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If your answer to anyone who doesn’t like something that an open source project is doing is “then fork it yourself”, you’re a piece of shit.
First, not everyone who uses #FOSS is a coder. This is a feature, not a bug. Second, not everyone who is a coder is a maintainer, and they shouldn’t have to be to have their voices heard. Third, when someone is intentionally worsening a project, and you harass the people complaining about it, you are reinforcing a power imbalance in favor of the abuser.
Check your privilege. YOU, a rich person with technical skills and time to spare, may be willing to bear the cost of forking a popular project, but others can’t. Think beyond your selfish self.
This goes doubly for a lot of big projects that actively adopt engineering practices that make maintaining a downstream fork difficult.
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