I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
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@hpod16 Focusing on building new platforms is a huge distraction. Mastodon is open source and #ActivityPub is a @w3c protocol. Everything is already in place. It's just a matter of people posting or adopting the protocol on their current social tools. I don't think anything else has to be built. If institutions AND real people, MPs for example, start posting for real, that will create momentum.
@vladcampos so is making them specifically "European", whatever that means in a world were software development is more often than not, developed using off-shored and out-sourced teams from all over the globe, using development tools and software libraries, and online services that are even more developed by a global coalition of contributors. Attributing nationality hides this people work, to serve silly and missguided goals.
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 use open source like mastodon. We don't want a facebook because facebook is crap. always has been. build on what's there. It works just fine. Add your support to the development of open source solutions that are already in existence. That'll make them even better. help @dansup make pixelfed even better, there you have your Instagram. Work with the democratically minded parts of EU software development that are already on it for many years, and reflect all our positive values.
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@vladcampos so is making them specifically "European", whatever that means in a world were software development is more often than not, developed using off-shored and out-sourced teams from all over the globe, using development tools and software libraries, and online services that are even more developed by a global coalition of contributors. Attributing nationality hides this people work, to serve silly and missguided goals.
@vladcampos
What serves the public over time is guarantying them rights over software and technology. Sometimes certain jurisdictions do it better than others, this is true, but that is circunstancial, as we can see with the Commission multiple pushes for Chat Control for more than 10 years, the curent plans to weaken GDPR and other regulations to please Trumpf and Big Tech. -
@hpod16 I would argue that it really depends on what "Facebook", "instagram" and "whatsapp" mean for this person.
I think we don't really have a valid alternative to the Marketplace for example.
Instagram is pretty much covered by Mastodon and Pixelfed, but would it work at scale? (with millions or billions of photos and videos to store and moderate)
Whatsapp is a lot harder. I don't think that Matrix is a good alternative and unfortunately Signal is under US influence too.
Friendica, would be the fediverse alternave to Facebook, giving the possibility to have private groups.
Here an article from (of course) @_elena
The Future of Social is Here: a Show and Tell (part 3: Friendica)
A "show and tell" of my favorite features of Friendica, which has fast become my favorite place in the Fediverse
Elena Rossini (blog.elenarossini.com)
There are not that many #friendica instances, unfortunately
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@vladcampos
What serves the public over time is guarantying them rights over software and technology. Sometimes certain jurisdictions do it better than others, this is true, but that is circunstancial, as we can see with the Commission multiple pushes for Chat Control for more than 10 years, the curent plans to weaken GDPR and other regulations to please Trumpf and Big Tech.@vladcampos
So as tech users we should focus on what realy gives us rights, like Free Software/Open Source Software, no matter where that is made, and also jurisdiction when it's about services, but not because of patriotism, but concretely first because of the Law and how well it protects the people and then the economy and how well it can serve the people's wellbeing and the service sustainability.. -
@vladcampos
So as tech users we should focus on what realy gives us rights, like Free Software/Open Source Software, no matter where that is made, and also jurisdiction when it's about services, but not because of patriotism, but concretely first because of the Law and how well it protects the people and then the economy and how well it can serve the people's wellbeing and the service sustainability..@vladcampos I'm not anti-european, I'm pro focusing on what will make Europe good, and not just surrender to ideas that imply stop thinking about what makes it good, and what can makes it better.
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
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Friendica, would be the fediverse alternave to Facebook, giving the possibility to have private groups.
Here an article from (of course) @_elena
The Future of Social is Here: a Show and Tell (part 3: Friendica)
A "show and tell" of my favorite features of Friendica, which has fast become my favorite place in the Fediverse
Elena Rossini (blog.elenarossini.com)
There are not that many #friendica instances, unfortunately
@luca @zompetto @hpod16 @_elena
How "usable" is #friendica by now? Does anybody know?
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@zompetto @hpod16 we do have marketplace alternatives! They usually vary by regions and countries. For example, you have ebay, which is the biggest, but in france, you may use leboncoin, while in some eastern european countries and netherlands there's the olx giant. At least in romania olx is the most popular, the oldest and the main reason why facebook marketplace didn't really take off here
@clouderst The problem is that people want to buy directly from social media. They want to buy a piece that their favourite artist shows, they don't search leboncoin for it. A lot of people are only on Insta because it's an important part for earning their life. And Mastodon is still no alternative (many artist get aggressed for posting their shop links). Leboncoin is good to sell an old table ...
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
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@vladcampos so is making them specifically "European", whatever that means in a world were software development is more often than not, developed using off-shored and out-sourced teams from all over the globe, using development tools and software libraries, and online services that are even more developed by a global coalition of contributors. Attributing nationality hides this people work, to serve silly and missguided goals.
@DiogoConstantino I think, "European" means the seat of the company, the legislation, the laws and regulations. And if you give the data to US clouds or in other dangerous places or place them in the EU. It's not about the internationality of a network.
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@clouderst The problem is that people want to buy directly from social media. They want to buy a piece that their favourite artist shows, they don't search leboncoin for it. A lot of people are only on Insta because it's an important part for earning their life. And Mastodon is still no alternative (many artist get aggressed for posting their shop links). Leboncoin is good to sell an old table ...
@clouderst But the team that develops Mastodon is aware of it and they have good ideas. That takes time and costs money while big platforms have their billionaires. @zompetto @hpod16
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 signed!
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16
Depends. Do you defend the murderous border regime of the eu with its concentration camps and the support of the genocidal israeli state?If no, I'd be interested.
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 Yes, as long they don't bring the #ageverification and #digitalid shite over those places as well ! There are already very good alternatives to #whatsapp that don' t even require a phone number e.g. @session @Jami
People value their privacy, as long as it's that's the core you are developing #socialmedia around instead of abusing their data !
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@clouderst The problem is that people want to buy directly from social media. They want to buy a piece that their favourite artist shows, they don't search leboncoin for it. A lot of people are only on Insta because it's an important part for earning their life. And Mastodon is still no alternative (many artist get aggressed for posting their shop links). Leboncoin is good to sell an old table ...
@NatureMC @zompetto @hpod16 i'm not denying the aggression thing. It's just bad cause how do people expect artists to make money if they don't promote themselves!
now even though people want to buy from social media, instagram doesn't have a marketplace of its own, nor does it take any taxes for promotion. It's an advertising platform, not a marketplace. The same goes for every other platform excepting youtube and facebook. Facebook marketplace was designed to be a replacement for services like leboncoin. Since most of facebook's userbase is old, they decided to capitalize on that since most young people don't tend to buy old.
Literally no artist puts up their work on facebook marketplace and if they do, they advertise and send the user to another platform (patreon ko-fi etc), just how they do on insta, twitter etc -
I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
Periodically people say '[abusive company with unethical business model] could only have originated in the USA, it could never have succeeded in Europe' and it takes me a minute to realise that they somehow meant this as an endorsement of the USA.
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@DiogoConstantino I think, "European" means the seat of the company, the legislation, the laws and regulations. And if you give the data to US clouds or in other dangerous places or place them in the EU. It's not about the internationality of a network.
@vladcampos @hpod16 @w3cWhich as I explained on the rest of the thread, do change, and are currently lead by people who want to make them weaker to serve Trumpf and Big Tech. Talk about the values not the flags! Also people from other places also share many of the values, and there's no tech without us all collaborating to build it.
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@NatureMC @zompetto @hpod16 i'm not denying the aggression thing. It's just bad cause how do people expect artists to make money if they don't promote themselves!
now even though people want to buy from social media, instagram doesn't have a marketplace of its own, nor does it take any taxes for promotion. It's an advertising platform, not a marketplace. The same goes for every other platform excepting youtube and facebook. Facebook marketplace was designed to be a replacement for services like leboncoin. Since most of facebook's userbase is old, they decided to capitalize on that since most young people don't tend to buy old.
Literally no artist puts up their work on facebook marketplace and if they do, they advertise and send the user to another platform (patreon ko-fi etc), just how they do on insta, twitter etc -
We even have our alternatives to spotify, gdrive and so on!
