everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
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everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
"If there isn't a foolproof 100% effective way to enforce a rule it should not exist" is a wild standard to have
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everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
@davidgerard there are no good faith arguments to be had here anymore; only the lottery-ticket holders and people with any ethics or sense
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everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
@davidgerard In the same vein as "if we shame the 'ephebophiles,' they'll just engage in even WORSE behavior, so we should accept and normalize them."
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everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
@davidgerard it's such a dumb argument. free software already relies on things that are even harder to prove or enforce
what if someone wrote their code on company time, meaning they don't own it? that's way harder to enforce than a genai ban -
everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
@davidgerard Yeah, and tbh... if they're the sort to lie about it, they are a problem. Just like someone lying and saying they 'wrote' something they plagiarized some other way would be a problem.
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@davidgerard Yeah, and tbh... if they're the sort to lie about it, they are a problem. Just like someone lying and saying they 'wrote' something they plagiarized some other way would be a problem.
@davidgerard "You can't stop people from copying and pasting code from elsewhere"
Yeah, not always, but we *do* deal with it - when we find out they're doing it without proper permissions, credit given, licensing, etc., their "contributions" are generally rejected or removed, and usually so is the person that lied about it. -
everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
@davidgerard
What's next, ban murder?
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everyone knows "but if we ban LLMs the AI bros will just lie about them, so we should let them through" is a bad faith bad excuse and the person saying it knows that every time, right?
The friction is important. As Amazon will tell you even a fraction of a second can make a significant difference to people’s decisions.
Also I’ve seen it posted here that the ethical stance is important, and yes, making it clear that it’s seen as socially disadvantageous is also important to putting the barest control on the cost asymmetry issue.
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@davidgerard "You can't stop people from copying and pasting code from elsewhere"
Yeah, not always, but we *do* deal with it - when we find out they're doing it without proper permissions, credit given, licensing, etc., their "contributions" are generally rejected or removed, and usually so is the person that lied about it.@miss_rodent @davidgerard It's literally impossible to prevent wire fraud, and frankly - why bother? It's one of the fastest growing stimulus to the global economy. Countries should cease onto this growth oppourtunity and open scam centers or be left behind.
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