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Hey men, a tip:In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies".

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  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

    Hey men, a tip:
    In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

    Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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    viss@mastodon.social
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    @JessTheUnstill i have found 'hey everyone' or 'hey folks' to work adequately in those settings, and it hasnt failed me yet

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    • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

      Hey men, a tip:
      In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

      Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

      hobbynutte69@troet.cafeH This user is from outside of this forum
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      hobbynutte69@troet.cafe
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      @JessTheUnstill Thank you, sweetheart!

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      • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

        Hey men, a tip:
        In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

        Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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        xavier@infosec.exchange
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        @JessTheUnstill Heard! If I ever hear a man say, "Hey Ladies" I always think of Beastie Boys. Also not a professional look 😉

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        • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

          Hey men, a tip:
          In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

          Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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          jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange
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          It's one of those: women might call a group of women "ladies". I still don't prefer it, but at least it doesn't carry the same connotations as a man calling a group of women ladies.

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          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

            Hey men, a tip:
            In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

            Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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            mpark@mathstodon.xyz
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            @JessTheUnstill "Folks," is my go to. Most of the time it works great, but occasionally folks not used to a slightly-Southern American accent will miss-hear it exactly the way you wouldn't want them to.

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            • hobbynutte69@troet.cafeH hobbynutte69@troet.cafe

              @JessTheUnstill Thank you, sweetheart!

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              jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange
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              @hobbynutte69

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              • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                Hey men, a tip:
                In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

                Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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                edsanders2@mstdn.social
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                @JessTheUnstill

                Thanks for letting me know.

                Until now, I’ve always thought of it as a more polite way to refer to a group, but when I think about it, I can recall instances — in both real and fictional settings — where a man has used the term to refer to a group of women (or men), and it’s clearly being done to assert dominance.

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                • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                  Hey men, a tip:
                  In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

                  Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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                  emily_rugburn@lgbtqia.space
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                  @JessTheUnstill @artemis good god does this drive me mad. the worst was my boss, who is a woman, who is like 10 years older than me, calling us a bunch of "girls". im fucking 47 years old goddamn it

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                  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                    Hey men, a tip:
                    In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

                    Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

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                    jackmexa4@mastodon.social
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                    @JessTheUnstill

                    But isn’t the real problem considering “ladies”diminishing somehow?

                    Isn’t playing by those rules perpetuating a stupid stereotype?

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                    • J jackmexa4@mastodon.social

                      @JessTheUnstill

                      But isn’t the real problem considering “ladies”diminishing somehow?

                      Isn’t playing by those rules perpetuating a stupid stereotype?

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                      @JackMexa4 Then it's up to women to reclaim the term. Not for men. It's the same as any other reclaimed term like "queer". It's been slung as a slur against me and my people for decades, and now I and many others proudly wear it as our identity. But that wasn't done by cishets. That was done by queers. If women want to reclaim ladies, we could, but thus far, we haven't.

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                      • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                        Hey men, a tip:
                        In a professional setting, NEVER refer to a group of people "ladies". Even if they're all women. Ladies to many people has a diminutive connotation of talking down to women. It makes you sound rude and unprofessional even more so than calling a group of women "guys".

                        Just give a gender neutral "you all" or "everyone" or whatever else.

                        scooter@labyrinth.zoneS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @JessTheUnstill Okay, that's...surprising, and will take some getting used to. @Kiki hadn't thought of it that way, but says she can see it.

                        I tend to be rather old-fashioned about greetings, anyway. And other things, really.
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                        • scooter@labyrinth.zoneS scooter@labyrinth.zone
                          @JessTheUnstill Okay, that's...surprising, and will take some getting used to. @Kiki hadn't thought of it that way, but says she can see it.

                          I tend to be rather old-fashioned about greetings, anyway. And other things, really.
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                          I can't claim to speak for all women, but as a woman, I can say it would grind my gears - even not acknowledging that not everyone who looks like/has a name like a woman is actually a woman.

                          @scooter @Kiki

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