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Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things."

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  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

    Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

    vgoller@nrw.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Daojoan you forgot a final Elitist! Or why you criticise the chosen ones love for gold? 😳😝

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    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

      Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

      dp0@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Daojoan It is just a new approach to an old dilemma: Authoritarianism is based on fraud and fraud requires intellectual superiority; i.e., the fraudster needs to know something the deceived doesn't. Hence, knowledgeable people are a threat for autocrats.

      In the past, access to knowledge was limited, most people couldn't even read. But things have changed and education and knowledge are more accessible. So they've to "pollute" the knowledge through fake information and to shame knowledge.

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      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

        Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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        @Daojoan The thing that burns me up is that there is a relationship between education and class, but that is not an inevitability; it is a choice made by the right-wing.

        The left wants to extend the opportunity of education to everyone, and for that they're called elitist, while the people who insist on gatekeeping education as a privilege for the rich are salt of the earth. It's entirely backwards.

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        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

          Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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          @Daojoan@mastodon.social there was a time when extensive knowledge of things was something only easily attainable to the elites. that time is now past, yet we still have not shaken ourselves of the patterns we collectively learned to recognize. this benefits the new elites, and so they perpetuate it. i hope we can learn from this soon.
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          • ariaflame@masto.aiA ariaflame@masto.ai

            @Daojoan A man who has probably never set foot in a supermarket in his life.

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            @ariaflame There's actual royalty from major countries that are more connected to people's daily lives.

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            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

              Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

              benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Daojoan

              we're getting palantir toilets soon so...

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              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                That's sure not how I use the term elitist, but yeah. People are so easily swayed by a down home country accent.

                What's her name at PhilosophyTube has a pretty interesting angle on what's happening here:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqPd6MShV1o

                Not entirely people's fault, but definitely working against any hope of our future existence.
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                • dp0@mastodon.socialD dp0@mastodon.social

                  @Daojoan It is just a new approach to an old dilemma: Authoritarianism is based on fraud and fraud requires intellectual superiority; i.e., the fraudster needs to know something the deceived doesn't. Hence, knowledgeable people are a threat for autocrats.

                  In the past, access to knowledge was limited, most people couldn't even read. But things have changed and education and knowledge are more accessible. So they've to "pollute" the knowledge through fake information and to shame knowledge.

                  mrundkvist@archaeo.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @DP0 @Daojoan
                  Sorry, no. Poor people in Sweden have had excellent access to information and education for 80 years. The fascist voters have turned away willingly from that and prefer online propaganda channels.

                  #fascism #democracy

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                  • ariaflame@masto.aiA ariaflame@masto.ai

                    @Daojoan A man who has probably never set foot in a supermarket in his life.

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                    @ariaflame @Daojoan
                    Indeed. A man who talked about groceries as if he had only learned the word for the first time a few minutes before his speech....

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                    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                      Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

                      nini@oldbytes.spaceN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @Daojoan So they're anti-intellectualists but calling folk "intellectuals" has too many syllables so it's just "elitist".

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                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                        Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

                        nicolai@babka.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @Daojoan what it really means is „has access to methods of thinking that not all people have but which are seen as mandatory for being heard and being able to speak politically“. And that is a real cause that unfortunately mostly terrible people really for. Other people do not really rally for it because it is an uncomfortable truth that one actually needs that method and that we indeed exclude people who can’t use it and that there is no good answer that could make them feel actually able to participate instead of just technically able to participate but without any chance of being heard.

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                        • nicolai@babka.socialN nicolai@babka.social

                          @Daojoan what it really means is „has access to methods of thinking that not all people have but which are seen as mandatory for being heard and being able to speak politically“. And that is a real cause that unfortunately mostly terrible people really for. Other people do not really rally for it because it is an uncomfortable truth that one actually needs that method and that we indeed exclude people who can’t use it and that there is no good answer that could make them feel actually able to participate instead of just technically able to participate but without any chance of being heard.

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                          @Daojoan I wrote small uni papers and essays about this question 15 years ago. Maybe it is time to update it with the current events and tell that story again

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                          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                            Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                            @Daojoan "elitism" is just a fancy name for gatekeeping and bragging about something behind those gates

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                            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                              Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                              @Daojoan Especially young, female people, as it turns out.

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                              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                                @Daojoan Yep. That's how it works. For those on the right, "elites" are smart people. For those on the left, "elites" are rich people.

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                                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                  Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                                  @Daojoan The language and psychology at play is utterly bizarre... on the plus side, here in a UK by-election an "elitist" smart female plumber representing the Green party just beat a far right pseudo-academic "man of the people" backed by billionaires.

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                                  • nini@oldbytes.spaceN nini@oldbytes.space

                                    @Daojoan So they're anti-intellectualists but calling folk "intellectuals" has too many syllables so it's just "elitist".

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                                    @nini @Daojoan Possibly it's also harder to sell "I'm against intelligence," while "we're against elitists" is easier - and vaguer, you can turn it into anything you want with a bit of creativity.

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                                    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                      Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                                      @Daojoan nowadays I often feel elitist for having the audicity to grow up as a white man with a functional job and family. If everyone already judges me for it anyway, what am I supposed to do different?

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                                      • mrundkvist@archaeo.socialM mrundkvist@archaeo.social

                                        @DP0 @Daojoan
                                        Sorry, no. Poor people in Sweden have had excellent access to information and education for 80 years. The fascist voters have turned away willingly from that and prefer online propaganda channels.

                                        #fascism #democracy

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                                        @mrundkvist @Daojoan
                                        That is actually what I said: People turning away from information is exactly what I meant when speaking of the new means. Everyone has access to information and knowledge, so people need to be instigated to turn away from it. And this done by providing false information and creating doubt regarding the accessible real and factual information.

                                        In the past, poverty and oppression were easy means to keep people uneducated. Today, more proactive ways are required.

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                                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                          Love how "elitist" now just means "has the audacity to know things." Went to university? Elitist. Read a book? Elitist. Can point to a country on a map? Elitist. Meanwhile a man with a gold toilet is a man of the people.

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                                          @Daojoan Sticks by their choices and morals even when doing so isn't perfectly convenient? *Definitely* elitist.

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