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  3. Yesterday Cory Doctorow argued that refusal to use LLMs was mere "neoliberal purity culture".

Yesterday Cory Doctorow argued that refusal to use LLMs was mere "neoliberal purity culture".

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  • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

    @bazkie @prinlu @FediThing @tante

    First: checking for punctuation errors and other typos *in my own work* in a model running on *my own laptop* has nothing - not one single, solitary thing - in common with your example.

    Nothing.

    Literally, nothing.

    But second: I literally license my work for commercial republication and it is widely republished in commercial outlets without any payment or notice to me.

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    @pluralistic but then you consented to that, right? you are in control of that.

    also my example IS similar - after all, it's data scraped without consent, used to create another work. the typo-checker changes your blogpost based on my training data, in the same way my copycat blog changes 'my' works based on your training data.

    sure, it's on a way different scale - deliberately, to more clearly show the principle - but it's the same thing.

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      Yesterday Cory Doctorow argued that refusal to use LLMs was mere "neoliberal purity culture". I think his argument is a strawman, doesn't align with his own actions and delegitimizes important political actions we need to make in order to build a better cyberphysical world.

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      @tante I appreciate this post. I have gotten into similar discussions of purity culture around generative AI use (me being against using AI) and you articulate many of the feelings I have about it well.

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      • bazkie@beige.partyB bazkie@beige.party

        @pluralistic but then you consented to that, right? you are in control of that.

        also my example IS similar - after all, it's data scraped without consent, used to create another work. the typo-checker changes your blogpost based on my training data, in the same way my copycat blog changes 'my' works based on your training data.

        sure, it's on a way different scale - deliberately, to more clearly show the principle - but it's the same thing.

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        @bazkie

        Should we ban the OED?

        There is literally no way to study language itself without acquiring vast corpora of existing language, and no one in the history of scholarship has ever obtained permission to construct such a corpus.

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