my dude has rediscovered the commons and I could not be happier for them
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my dude has rediscovered the commons and I could not be happier for them
@susankayequinn money just allows you to expand the scope of bartering. It's not necessary for commerce, nor is it always the most efficient means of commerce.
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@susankayequinn money just allows you to expand the scope of bartering. It's not necessary for commerce, nor is it always the most efficient means of commerce.
@mweiss I'm not anti-money and bartering is very much a small scale thing. I wouldn't even call what they're doing here "bartering" -- we have a poverty of vocabulary for describing this sort of thing because capitalism wants us to monetize everything (for many reasons but mostly control).
I would call this a "gifting economy" -- they're doing things for each other without "payment" but calling it a "barter" so they can discharge the onus we put on gifting having to be reciprocal/monetized.
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my dude has rediscovered the commons and I could not be happier for them
@susankayequinn One loves to see it!
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@mweiss I'm not anti-money and bartering is very much a small scale thing. I wouldn't even call what they're doing here "bartering" -- we have a poverty of vocabulary for describing this sort of thing because capitalism wants us to monetize everything (for many reasons but mostly control).
I would call this a "gifting economy" -- they're doing things for each other without "payment" but calling it a "barter" so they can discharge the onus we put on gifting having to be reciprocal/monetized.
@mweiss he's essentially expanded his scope of "family and friends" -- you'd probably help out a friend with moving furniture and they'd help you with some bonus stuff they picked up at the Costco and you wouldn't call it "bartering" you would just be friends helping each other out. He's using the medium of exchange to help build the *friendships* and that's legit. But what's happening is not an exchange of goods/services but rather a building of community. That's why it expanded.
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@mweiss he's essentially expanded his scope of "family and friends" -- you'd probably help out a friend with moving furniture and they'd help you with some bonus stuff they picked up at the Costco and you wouldn't call it "bartering" you would just be friends helping each other out. He's using the medium of exchange to help build the *friendships* and that's legit. But what's happening is not an exchange of goods/services but rather a building of community. That's why it expanded.
@mweiss the distinction is important because if you actually introduced money into this situation, it would tarnish it. Because it would monetize the friendships that are developing.
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"anarchism" has its own history as well
I see the terms all being thrown around equivalently as scare words and that's their main function, divorced actually from any history (the people using them are often relying on mythologizing of history anyway)
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@mweiss I'm not anti-money and bartering is very much a small scale thing. I wouldn't even call what they're doing here "bartering" -- we have a poverty of vocabulary for describing this sort of thing because capitalism wants us to monetize everything (for many reasons but mostly control).
I would call this a "gifting economy" -- they're doing things for each other without "payment" but calling it a "barter" so they can discharge the onus we put on gifting having to be reciprocal/monetized.
@susankayequinn @mweiss maybe i would call it the gift economy or community mutual aid?
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now imagine this happening everywhere... imagine the mindset shift it would create... imagine how radically it would improve people's lives, all while still existing side-by-side with capitalism (for now). Imagine the pressures it would put on a system that's brutal and exploitive when they can actually get their needs met outside of that system.
The two women writing under the joint pen name J. K. Gibson-Graham have built a whole scholarly research network around basically this idea. Basically, many worlds are possible, and better ones already exist out there right now!
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@susankayequinn @mweiss maybe i would call it the gift economy or community mutual aid?
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The two women writing under the joint pen name J. K. Gibson-Graham have built a whole scholarly research network around basically this idea. Basically, many worlds are possible, and better ones already exist out there right now!
@MichaelTBacon oh this looks great! Thank you for sharing.
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now imagine this happening everywhere... imagine the mindset shift it would create... imagine how radically it would improve people's lives, all while still existing side-by-side with capitalism (for now). Imagine the pressures it would put on a system that's brutal and exploitive when they can actually get their needs met outside of that system.
Seems like a good time for me to recommend (again) the Serviceberry (gift economies) and Caliban and the Witch (capitalist enclosure of women's bodies and destruction of communal means of support).
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