my dude has rediscovered the commons and I could not be happier for them
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now imagine this happening everywhere... imagine the mindset shift it would create... imagine how radically it would improve people's lives, all while still existing side-by-side with capitalism (for now). Imagine the pressures it would put on a system that's brutal and exploitive when they can actually get their needs met outside of that system.
@susankayequinn I remember a fellow bus driver who told me that a former workplace had got really toxic with a new boss - she made a point of following through a pointless and unnecessary disciplinary interview with him, and imposed a 5 day suspension from work. She thought she was punishing him, but he spent them catching up with his sideline selling business, making more money than he lost. When she sarcastically asked him if he missed the money when he got back, her face fell with his reply.
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@susankayequinn Also, there are numerous other ways we can stick two fingers up at the system - volunteering, forming a buying club in a group to get food in bulk, growing your own (even in a flat, herbs grow on a windowsill), and your local giveaway group (goes under various names like Freegle, Freecycle and so on), tool libraries (sharing garden tools, power tools, and so on).
@UkeleleEric @susankayequinn Tool libraries are pretty great. Seattle's Phinney Ridge Neighborhood Center has one -- when you need an impact drill to put shelf anchors in a concrete wall, that's what you need, but only for a day.
Oakland and Berkeley in California have tool libraries through their public library systems.
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@susankayequinn The local neighborhood free lists have been good for giving homes to items we don't need any more, and sometimes picking up things we could use more than others. "I'll leave the craft supplies in a bag with your name on it on the porch".
We had a nice exchange of sorts via the free list-- a neighbor was looking for a home for an old patchwork quilt. We took it with thanks, and then a couple years later when we didn't need a portable air conditioner, those same neighbors found our note on the free list and came to pick it up.
Not all that personal, and mediated via Facebook, but it's something.
@jmeowmeow I'm a big fan of Buy Nothing groups (and Gifting with Integrity groups which are the same thing)! Use mine A LOT.
(and yeah UGH to FB but I'll use it for that)
You mentioned crafts... one of my favorite new discoveries is the Creative Reuse store -- people donate all kinds of craft-related goods (which can be frames, candles, all kinds of things) and then the store sells them cheap. And they support local artists!
Not just my city too--they're all over! (not a brand, just an idea)
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@susankayequinn I remember a fellow bus driver who told me that a former workplace had got really toxic with a new boss - she made a point of following through a pointless and unnecessary disciplinary interview with him, and imposed a 5 day suspension from work. She thought she was punishing him, but he spent them catching up with his sideline selling business, making more money than he lost. When she sarcastically asked him if he missed the money when he got back, her face fell with his reply.
@UkeleleEric ha! brilliant
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@UkeleleEric @susankayequinn Tool libraries are pretty great. Seattle's Phinney Ridge Neighborhood Center has one -- when you need an impact drill to put shelf anchors in a concrete wall, that's what you need, but only for a day.
Oakland and Berkeley in California have tool libraries through their public library systems.
@jmeowmeow yes! I'm a big fan of the library and all its Library of Things! I'm constantly telling folks to check out what their library has to offer (and how library economies prefigure a solarpunk future)
Ep. 25: Library Economies and Third Spaces
Prefiguring a Solarpunk World Today
(brightgreenfutures.substack.com)
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@jmeowmeow I'm a big fan of Buy Nothing groups (and Gifting with Integrity groups which are the same thing)! Use mine A LOT.
(and yeah UGH to FB but I'll use it for that)
You mentioned crafts... one of my favorite new discoveries is the Creative Reuse store -- people donate all kinds of craft-related goods (which can be frames, candles, all kinds of things) and then the store sells them cheap. And they support local artists!
Not just my city too--they're all over! (not a brand, just an idea)
@susankayequinn I am so happy to be in walking distance of the north side shop of Seattle ReCreative for craft supplies. (Also well situated on two bus routes)
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my dude has rediscovered the commons and I could not be happier for them
@susankayequinn money just allows you to expand the scope of bartering. It's not necessary for commerce, nor is it always the most efficient means of commerce.
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@susankayequinn money just allows you to expand the scope of bartering. It's not necessary for commerce, nor is it always the most efficient means of commerce.
@mweiss I'm not anti-money and bartering is very much a small scale thing. I wouldn't even call what they're doing here "bartering" -- we have a poverty of vocabulary for describing this sort of thing because capitalism wants us to monetize everything (for many reasons but mostly control).
I would call this a "gifting economy" -- they're doing things for each other without "payment" but calling it a "barter" so they can discharge the onus we put on gifting having to be reciprocal/monetized.
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my dude has rediscovered the commons and I could not be happier for them
@susankayequinn One loves to see it!
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@mweiss I'm not anti-money and bartering is very much a small scale thing. I wouldn't even call what they're doing here "bartering" -- we have a poverty of vocabulary for describing this sort of thing because capitalism wants us to monetize everything (for many reasons but mostly control).
I would call this a "gifting economy" -- they're doing things for each other without "payment" but calling it a "barter" so they can discharge the onus we put on gifting having to be reciprocal/monetized.
@mweiss he's essentially expanded his scope of "family and friends" -- you'd probably help out a friend with moving furniture and they'd help you with some bonus stuff they picked up at the Costco and you wouldn't call it "bartering" you would just be friends helping each other out. He's using the medium of exchange to help build the *friendships* and that's legit. But what's happening is not an exchange of goods/services but rather a building of community. That's why it expanded.
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@mweiss he's essentially expanded his scope of "family and friends" -- you'd probably help out a friend with moving furniture and they'd help you with some bonus stuff they picked up at the Costco and you wouldn't call it "bartering" you would just be friends helping each other out. He's using the medium of exchange to help build the *friendships* and that's legit. But what's happening is not an exchange of goods/services but rather a building of community. That's why it expanded.
@mweiss the distinction is important because if you actually introduced money into this situation, it would tarnish it. Because it would monetize the friendships that are developing.
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"anarchism" has its own history as well
I see the terms all being thrown around equivalently as scare words and that's their main function, divorced actually from any history (the people using them are often relying on mythologizing of history anyway)
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@mweiss I'm not anti-money and bartering is very much a small scale thing. I wouldn't even call what they're doing here "bartering" -- we have a poverty of vocabulary for describing this sort of thing because capitalism wants us to monetize everything (for many reasons but mostly control).
I would call this a "gifting economy" -- they're doing things for each other without "payment" but calling it a "barter" so they can discharge the onus we put on gifting having to be reciprocal/monetized.
@susankayequinn @mweiss maybe i would call it the gift economy or community mutual aid?
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now imagine this happening everywhere... imagine the mindset shift it would create... imagine how radically it would improve people's lives, all while still existing side-by-side with capitalism (for now). Imagine the pressures it would put on a system that's brutal and exploitive when they can actually get their needs met outside of that system.
The two women writing under the joint pen name J. K. Gibson-Graham have built a whole scholarly research network around basically this idea. Basically, many worlds are possible, and better ones already exist out there right now!
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@susankayequinn @mweiss maybe i would call it the gift economy or community mutual aid?
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The two women writing under the joint pen name J. K. Gibson-Graham have built a whole scholarly research network around basically this idea. Basically, many worlds are possible, and better ones already exist out there right now!
@MichaelTBacon oh this looks great! Thank you for sharing.
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now imagine this happening everywhere... imagine the mindset shift it would create... imagine how radically it would improve people's lives, all while still existing side-by-side with capitalism (for now). Imagine the pressures it would put on a system that's brutal and exploitive when they can actually get their needs met outside of that system.
Seems like a good time for me to recommend (again) the Serviceberry (gift economies) and Caliban and the Witch (capitalist enclosure of women's bodies and destruction of communal means of support).
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