Tempted to write a post that software development lost the plot a long time ago, and that the recent LLM developments are merely the icing on that cake.
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Tempted to write a post that software development lost the plot a long time ago, and that the recent LLM developments are merely the icing on that cake. Software these days is not the painstaking work by people like @bagder or @hyc or @vitaut who write the best code they possibly can. Over the past decade, "the software world" has been developing in a very different way than that.
@bert_hubert I can summarize the post and point the finger at the responsible party in one sentence: middle management ruined software development.
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Tempted to write a post that software development lost the plot a long time ago, and that the recent LLM developments are merely the icing on that cake. Software these days is not the painstaking work by people like @bagder or @hyc or @vitaut who write the best code they possibly can. Over the past decade, "the software world" has been developing in a very different way than that.
@bert_hubert @bagder @hyc @vitaut I mean yes but mostly because the outcome don't matters...
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Tempted to write a post that software development lost the plot a long time ago, and that the recent LLM developments are merely the icing on that cake. Software these days is not the painstaking work by people like @bagder or @hyc or @vitaut who write the best code they possibly can. Over the past decade, "the software world" has been developing in a very different way than that.
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@bert_hubert @bagder @hyc @vitaut I mean yes but mostly because the outcome don't matters...
@Di4na @bert_hubert @bagder @vitaut if the outcome truly doesn't matter then it's probably software that didn't need to be written in the first place.
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@Di4na @bert_hubert @bagder @vitaut if the outcome truly doesn't matter then it's probably software that didn't need to be written in the first place.
@hyc @bert_hubert @bagder @vitaut well depend. For the user yes.
For the people being paid and having to provide a plausible lies to investors to keep being paid, no.
Value judgement are rarely that absolute. Do i think we would be better off with a world in which we don't end up needing so much plausible lies as the main way to pay software devs? Yes
But the (inefficient) byproduct is a lot of paid software devs doing FOSS so...
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@bert_hubert @bagder @hyc @vitaut
In a similar vein. https://techtrenches.dev/p/the-great-software-quality-collapse@MortonRobD @bert_hubert @bagder @hyc @vitaut I'm a bit uncomfortable with the fact that this article sounds like the output of an LLM though (complete with weird diagrams and other tell tale sentence constructions, and some technical arguments that a knowledgeable engineer probably wouldn't have made
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@MortonRobD @bert_hubert @bagder @hyc @vitaut I'm a bit uncomfortable with the fact that this article sounds like the output of an LLM though (complete with weird diagrams and other tell tale sentence constructions, and some technical arguments that a knowledgeable engineer probably wouldn't have made
)@jpetazzo @bert_hubert @bagder @hyc @vitaut
Interesting. It looked to me like it was originally done as a presentation - bullet points etc. Can you identify some of those technical arguments please? Genuine interest. -
Tempted to write a post that software development lost the plot a long time ago, and that the recent LLM developments are merely the icing on that cake. Software these days is not the painstaking work by people like @bagder or @hyc or @vitaut who write the best code they possibly can. Over the past decade, "the software world" has been developing in a very different way than that.
@bert_hubert fair to say we lost the plot not long after the dot-bombs. "Ship it" was more important than if it even functioned as described. People continually talk shit about dot-bombs from a place of ignorance.
But they cared about building something that worked. Customers wouldn't come if it didn't work.
Now the model is "fuck you, you have to use shitware, so why would we give a damn? Here's a worthless 'feature' nobody wanted so a manager could hit a LoC metric." -
@bert_hubert I can summarize the post and point the finger at the responsible party in one sentence: middle management ruined software development.
@elricofmelnibone @bert_hubert let me add: the big consulting smokesellers ruined the whole profession.
Yeah, I’m looking at you, Accenture. And you, McKinsey. And at everyone else in that ‘trade’.
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